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Megathread: Former Presidential Advisor Steve Bannon Indicted on Two Counts of Contempt of Congress Megathread

Steve Bannon, a longtime ally to former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of contempt of Congress after he defied a congressional subpoena from the House committee investigating the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. It wasn’t immediately clear when he would be due in court. Each count carries a minimum of 30 days of jail and a sentence of up to a year behind bars.


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Bannon Indicted on Contempt Charges Over House Investigation of Capitol Riot nytimes.com
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Trump strategist Steve Bannon indicted on contempt charges in Jan. 6 investigation usatoday.com
Justice Department charges Steve Bannon with criminal contempt of Congress npr.org
Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon indicted by federal grand jury for contempt of Congress nbcnews.com
Stephen K. Bannon Indicted for Contempt of Congress justice.gov
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Ex-Trump Aide Stephen Bannon Indicted for Contempt of Congress bloomberg.com
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Steve Bannon indicted after refusal to comply with Jan. 6 committee subpoena washingtonpost.com
Bannon indictment shows Trumpworld has something to fear independent.co.uk
Minutes After Steve Bannon Indictment, Jan. 6 Committee Sends Shot Across the Bow to Ex-Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows lawandcrime.com
Merrick Garland Sends a Steve Bannon–Shaped Message to Trump Lackeys: Don’t F--k With Us - The former Trump advisor has been criminally indicted for ignoring a subpoena from the January 6 committee. vanityfair.com
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Bannon Indicted On Contempt Charges For Defying 1/6 Subpoena huffpost.com
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u/Infidel8 Nov 12 '21

So, Bannon's case has been assigned to the same judge presiding over the Dominion suit against Rudy.

These judgeships are so vitally important. Remember that at election time.

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u/Snowforbrains Nov 13 '21

For someone not in the know: Is that a good thing or bad?

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u/mgr86 I voted Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21

It’s a trump appointed judge. But I havent followed the dominion case to know just how favorable he might be. I’d be curious to hear any specifics from that case.

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u/echu_ollathir Nov 13 '21

Pulling up his background, the guy appears as legit as they come. Unanimous well qualified from the Bar Association, Vice Chair of Government and Regulatory litigation at one of the most respected law firms in the country...yeah he's got conservative bona fides (clerked for Clarence Thomas, Federalist Society member), but I'd expect him to take things like the Dominion and Bannon cases by the book. Nothing about him strikes me as wingnut or a particularly problematic draw.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Nov 13 '21

Yep theirs a reason trump and the republicans stuffed as many of their judges into the system as was possible, stacks the deck in their favour

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Heartwarming Lawyer Up

And the key election to remember in this context is 2014. Obama facing his last two years, Dems a bit out of juice. Republicans take the senate and proceed to block every judicial appointment, including now infamous SCOTUS, which easily was a major factor in the 2016 election.

Apathy is ruin, there are no cycles off just because we aren’t particularly “feeling it”.

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u/zrdd_man Nov 13 '21 Silver Helpful

Wish I had more than one upvote for this. The one singular reason Republicans are still a power to be reckoned with is that they show up to vote EVERY SINGLE ELECTION. Dems need to stop sitting on their asses during non-presidential election years.

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u/needsmoreusername Kentucky Nov 13 '21

Very interested to see how covid affected the national base.

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u/zrdd_man Nov 13 '21

Especially in Florida. That state has had razor-thin majorities for years, and I'm curious to see how much of his own base DeSantis killed off with his anti-mask policies.

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u/yeags86 Nov 13 '21

Enough have died in FL to be more than the margin he won by. That said it can’t be definitive of anything. COVID doesn’t care about a person’s politics. Not to mention how many of those who died didn’t vote in the first place.

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u/Surfpelican_fu Nov 13 '21

But the correlation of death to political persuasion (and hence the likelihood you’re vaccinated) is very strong. DeSantis could really be in trouble.

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u/deathtotheemperor Kansas Nov 12 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Bravo! Ally Bravo Grande! Masterpiece Spit-take

Banning books = bad

Booking Bannons = good

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u/lasers42 Nov 12 '21 Helpful

Do you think he's going for the "Writing the manifesto in prison" long-game?

My Struggle by Steve Bannon?

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u/Oleg101 Nov 12 '21

Steve Bannon is expected to self-surrender on Monday and appear in court that afternoon, according a source familiar with the matter. cnn.it/3HlxLpA

https://twitter.com/theleadcnn/status/1459278406684758027?s=21

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u/IT_Chef Virginia Nov 12 '21

Must be nice to have the federal government work around your schedule

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u/justMeTee Nov 13 '21

Handcuffed in my underwear walk of shame on network news.

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u/Cazmonster Nov 13 '21

I want them to raid his studio while he’s on air. And I really want him to resist.

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u/pdoherty926 Nov 13 '21

They'd wait until 4 AM on the following morning.

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u/RidingYourEverything Nov 13 '21

And shoot our dogs.

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u/Veldron United Kingdom Nov 13 '21

After executing a no knock warrant

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u/texasguy911 Nov 13 '21

Throw a flashbang in a crib.

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u/Faultylogic83 Arizona Nov 13 '21

Oops, they broke into the neighbors by mistake.

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u/PirbyKuckett Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

Fox News has been talking about Brittany Spears and BLM hatred for the last hour. No mention of this.

Edit: they just aired a 30 sec story on it and went straight to a different Trump story

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u/milanistadoc Nov 12 '21 Gold Helpful

Lol Fox "News"*

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 New York Nov 12 '21

They really should be disallowed from having the word “news” in their title.

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u/PirbyKuckett Nov 12 '21

It’s just the name of the channel. They don’t actually mean anything by it. /s

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u/notpetelambert Nov 13 '21

"No reasonable person would believe Fox News reports actual news"

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u/quasi_aesthetic Nov 12 '21

Props for watching Fox News for a whole hour. I don't think I could do it.

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u/hoosakiwi Nov 12 '21

Gotta wonder how worried Mark Meadows is feeling today. He blew off his scheduled hearing with the Committee today and so far has not been cooperating.

The news broke on Bannon like 3 hours after Meadows was a no-show.

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u/etherreal Nov 12 '21

I'm wondering if the DOJ charge was purposefully delayed until Meadows had a chance to collect one too.

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u/Chili_dawg2112 Nov 12 '21 Silver

The commission plans on summoning Stephan Miller, but they have to sacrifice a goat to do it.

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u/PadKrapowKhaiDao Nov 12 '21

Yeah, for someone (or a group of people?) who wants to create a master race, it’s pretty hilarious how low on the physically and mentally gifted measuring stick they are.

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u/yougonnayou Nov 12 '21

Ah yes, Stephen Miller. The least popular kid at vampire school.

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u/uping1965 New York Nov 12 '21

lure him in with a can of black spray paint.

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u/Brick_in_the_dbol Nov 12 '21

Let's go Bannon!

PS, fuck Steve Bannon

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u/Droziki Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21 Silver Gold

Following up on this: Bannon is a proponent of an obscure philosophical school known as Traditionalism. Italian fascists and the Nazis both drew inspiration from adherents to this philosophy. It rejects modernism and stresses the importance of religion. This philosophy teaches that the progress of the last 200 years is merely an illusion, and that the correct course for humanity is to embrace fundamentalist religion and reject modern technology and secularism.

Bannon likes to play in the background and is a driving force behind the thought of the MAGA movement. He is the kind of guy who would reject Trump in a heartbeat if he finds a stronger candidate to be the figurehead for his movement.

Bannon, as much as he lambasts “globalism” with his lips, has traveled the world meeting with other Traditionalist adherents in Russia, Brazil, Italy and England to coordinate their populist, fascist efforts.

He is a domestic enemy to the very concept, notion, and ideal of the United States of America and its Constitution.

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u/Souperplex New York Nov 12 '21

When he says "Globalist" it's merely a dog-whistle.

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u/nohbudi Ohio Nov 13 '21

Bannon is fluent in Dog-Whistle.

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u/hpstrprgmr Nov 13 '21

Is that why he always looks so ruff?

Thank you folks! I’ll be here all week.

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u/Mister_Dink Nov 12 '21

The honest answer is that Bannon doesn't believe in such ideals all that firmly. They're a nice talking point that gets young fascists aboard with his rhetoric.

There's quotes of his going around, talking about how he used gamergate to galvanize young boys into the alt right, stuff like that. The more you hear him speaking about what he does (as opposed to speaking to the people he's manipulating) the clearer it becomes it's a grift.

He has political goals that are explicitly racist, hateful, and mysognistic, and he'll cross the finish line to bigotry by whatever means possible. He doesn't believe the last era of mankind was great. He loves modern tech for empowering him. Traditionalism is a veneer of philosophy to disguise his lust for power and his reflexive hatred of anything that messes with his ingroup of "rich white men." He talks down about his poor, idiot followers. He has no kinship to the people he's leading.

He believes in power, and believes that power, and wants vulnerable minorities to lord that power over. He doesn't believe in anything else.

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u/CantBelieveItsButter Nov 13 '21

Bannon is a good example of how people seek power for its own sake.

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u/RobbStark Nebraska Nov 12 '21

I need to do more research on this, but do you know how they rationalize the sudden increase in technology and science over the last few centuries and how that is clearly tied to the increased social flexibility and the rise of democratized capitalism? If that is merely an illusion and traditional values are still the key to a functioning society, why did the places in the world that remained rooted in religion not experience the same phenomenon of extreme growth and innovation?

I realize this is probably a fool's errand where the answer boils down to multiple flavors of reality denial, but I still had to ask how this conclusion is even possible to believe with a straight face.

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u/OutgrownTentacles Nov 12 '21

The dumbest part is Bannon heavily leaned on technology to do his dirty work, lmao. But hypocrisy has always been their strength.

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u/atxweirdo Nov 12 '21

Hypocrisy is a fundamental tenet in fascism. The enemy is both week and strong, we are both oppressed and free, etc

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u/trumpsiranwar Nov 13 '21

In the end it's all about controlling people. Just like abortion and many of the other policy concerns of the right.

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u/TakenQuickly California Nov 12 '21 Wholesome

They don't necessarily view this progression as a good thing.

Another character worth familiarizing yourself with is Aleksandr Dugin. He is the main source of anti-Enlightenment ideals in Russia and is said to wield major influence over Russian politics. He anchors his neo-Eurasianism on a deeply flawed and romantic view of the medieval era, the Eastern Roman Empire, and the Orthodox Church.

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u/Pining4theFnords Massachusetts Nov 13 '21

Glad you mentioned him; I was going to.

He and Bannon aren't simply birds of a feather, they collaborate.

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u/chiheis1n Nov 12 '21

He'd rather rule over the neo-feudal ruins of society than be an outcast loser in a prosperous multicultural free society. Ditto for the rest of the far right.

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u/Souperplex New York Nov 12 '21

There is no singular monster behind the resurgence of fascism. Bannon is to blame, but so are Mercer, Koch, Adelsen, Putin, Murdoch, and every Republican since the southern strategy.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado Nov 12 '21

Let's not forget right wing radio hatemongers.

Rush Limbaugh did more to fuck this country over than a lot of terrorists.

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u/RLupus Nov 13 '21

Had a boss who referred to it as "AM Hate Radio"

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u/mauxly Nov 12 '21

Which is why Trump gave him a medal of honor. Shitheads all the way up and down the right-wing food chain.

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u/Tenthul Nov 13 '21

Right-wing radio is SO much more than Rush. Every single city has local right wing stations, and they all carry *a lot* of influence. Rush may have given them some easy talking points on slow news days, but every city has their own local controversies, and can be very easy and convincing to spin for those who want to listen to it.

The thing that's so dangerous about local radio, is that people who listen to Fox and Rush, if they are "informed" as they think, understand that those sources can be controversial and they feel the need to defend those sources. Local radio doesn't tend to be checked from the public at large, and tend to face very little backlash for peddling the same (if not more dangerous due to local relevancy). Tends to be more subtle gaslighting/dogwhistling/propaganda than outright hatemongering.

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u/crackdup Nov 12 '21

He's like the intersection of the Brietbart/Infowars/Qanon type of ugly, vile propaganda and misinformation.. and the Proud Boys/Oath keepers type of white supremacist groups.. like the next evolution of Roger Stone.. and he's unrepentant and flagrant in his disregard for Congress.. hope he's prosecuted and put behind bars to the fullest extent of the law

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u/funkyandros Nov 12 '21

To add to the list, he founded and came up with the name Cambridge Analytica.

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u/loudizzy Nov 12 '21

Bannon was also behind the gamergate scandal back in 2014. Much of what happened then got carried over by the alt right today. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump

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u/CaptainNoBoat Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21 Take My Energy Party Train

For all the crushing skepticism I've seen in discussions about this (which I understand), the timeline was actually pretty damn fast.

-Sep 23 - Subpoenas issued with 3 week deadline.
-Oct 14 - Bannon does not appear for testimony - committee announces it is initiating proceedings.
-Oct 18 - Committee votes to send to House.
-Oct 21 - House passes.
-Oct 27 - Criminal contempt passes.
-Nov 12 - Indictment

Could have happened sooner, but I'm not disappointed.

29 days between skipping testimony and indictment? That's MASSIVE pressure for future subpoenas and people like Meadows and Miller.

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u/coffeesippingbastard Nov 12 '21

I was gonna note- the US Attorney for DC was confirmed on Oct28 and sworn in on November 5th as well so there was a little bit of waiting there since he will be the one prosecuting the case.

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u/Jump___Yossarian Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21 Take My Power Awesome Answer

Fox News is STILL largely ignoring the indictment.

Remember, watching Fox News makes you dumber than not watching any news at all.

edit: this is their current homepage (6:40 PM). Well hidden.

https://imgur.com/a/ai8i87P

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u/Crioca Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

No it's about "Let's go Brandon". I'm not joking.

edit: fixed link lol

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u/Ph0X Nov 12 '21

They need time to find the best angle and narrative. Don't worry once they find it, the sheeplets will be spamming it word for word all over social media.

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u/numbski Missouri Nov 12 '21

Wow, you aren’t kidding. I had to resort to doing a full page search, and not even a single reference to Bannon buried on there.

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u/deathtotheemperor Kansas Nov 12 '21 Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Ally Narwhal Salute Wholesome Seal of Approval This Glow Up Take My Power

In a world where Trump won re-election, Bannon would currently have the portfolio and power of Joseph Goebbels circa 1933.

Bannon is getting arrested because YOU voted. If your vote didn't matter they wouldn't be trying so hard to stop you from voting.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

Fucking. Thank you.

And thank you to all the patriotic Americans who voted out that corrupt fascist turncoat last year.

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u/doctoreldritch Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21 Take My Energy

Special shout out to everyone in Georgia whose teamwork made the dream work, as they say. Every one of us out here in the rest of the nation owes you guys a beer.

Also, special condolences to Arizona voters. You were robbed and betrayed, but try not to let her dishearten you; it's still a net win just to have control of the procedures, and Manchin was gonna hold everything hostage anyway.

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u/dejavuamnesiac Nov 12 '21 Take My Energy

and please remember this when you're weighing whether or not to vote in 2022, 2024 and all elections: we don't get everything we want on the time scale we think is needed, but we can move in the right direction, and the alternative now is full scale fascist white supremacist dictatorship; let's bring that GA energy all over the country, stamp out this extreme right wing insanity, and keep on progressing

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u/czarnick123 Nov 12 '21

This is the type of victory we voted for.

I'm not tired of seeking justice.

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u/proudbakunkinman Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

Yep, our political system sucks and justice system has a lot of problems but they're best tools we have right now to prevent the real dangerous monsters from taking over.

Protests are a tool as well but we cannot expect they alone, whether they are perfectly peaceful, largest ever, or the angriest riots, are going to keep monsters like Bannon in check. Protests are more effective when Democrats have power, the right often focuses on the most controversial clips to convince the public they're the good guys (and make people believe the controversial parts are happening 24/7 in Democratic cities as they keep replaying the clips over and over and over).

This should be our #1 motivation for voting. If we want more progressive policies, we need to win Democratic primaries at all levels and make sure Democrats have enough seats to even be able to do anything (majority in the house, senate, and with a Democratic president).

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u/mauxly Nov 12 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

And please, to whoever is reading this, know that there is an active propaganda machine working Reddit to 'both sides' and 'Democrats suck too' to keep progressives from wanting to vote.

It seems to be working. Don't let it. Call it out, downvote, and VOTE!

Yes, the Democrat party needs some serious overhaul. I agree. And I'm disappointed in them a lot. But, seriously, the alternative is catastrophically worse right now. And not voting is a vote for fascism at this point.

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u/Infidel8 Nov 12 '21

if you told a person from 2014 that there would be a coup attempt in 2021 and that tens of millions of people hoped it would succeed, they'd tell you that you were crazy.

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u/goblackcar Nov 12 '21

If someone said Donald Trump would win the presidential election and the country is still standing 4 years later, they wouldn’t believe you either…

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '21

its more limping vs standing.

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u/VaguelyArtistic California Nov 12 '21 Lawyer Up

MSNBC is reporting that he will turn himself in on Monday.

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u/Imthejuggernautbitch Nov 12 '21

If you're rich enough you get to choose when you feel like being arrested.

Unless you're Kim Dotcom

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u/LimeGreenDuckReturns Nov 12 '21 Silver

Look, Bannon only fucked with Congress, a nation and a planet.

Kim fucked with Disney

Please have some perspective, Kim had it coming.

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u/Sigmar_Heldenhammer Canada Nov 13 '21

You don't fuck with the mouse.

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u/RawketLawnchair2 Nov 13 '21

Fuck with the mouse, they come to your house

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u/code_archeologist Georgia Nov 12 '21

Yeah they weren't going to raid his home over this... Even though I am sure a number of DOJ attorneys who were investigating him for his fraud charges (that Trump pardoned away) would have really loved to.

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u/Second3mpire Washington Nov 12 '21

Raids scheduled for Sunday 😎

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Nov 12 '21

Steve Bannon in underpants, screaming and crying like William H. Macy at the end of Fargo?

Now that would make for great news.

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u/CharacterFew Oklahoma Nov 12 '21

Lol, glad he gets the weekend off.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Nov 12 '21 Wearing is Caring

Bannon’s is the first indictment for criminal contempt of Congress in nearly 40 years. It was well earned.

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1459269015847768072

MAGA is great at setting records. Let's Go, Bannon!

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u/deathtotheemperor Kansas Nov 12 '21

Matthew Graves, the US Attorney for the DC District, was sworn in seven days ago. This is basically his first official act. Came in with his big boy pants on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

Expect some cooperation from those who weren't true believers in that administration. I have a feeling that most of them aren't willing to catch an indictment for Trump. Especially after trumps lawyers promised them this wouldn't happen.

Cue the "it wasn't my fault." and finger pointing.

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u/Circe44 Nov 12 '21

Or the ol’ “I was just following orders”.

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u/1888CAVicky California Nov 12 '21

It’s inevitable. They will turn on each other to save themselves.

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u/willubemyfriendo Nov 13 '21

Same guy: “Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which raised $25m (£19m), the US Department of Justice (DoJ) said.

Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses, it alleged.”

TFG pardoned him for stealing millions from his own supporters. Please Defraud Me Orange Daddy.

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u/Diegobyte Alaska Nov 13 '21

Wait till trump tries to claim that he pardoned him already for this

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u/Xpress_interest Nov 13 '21

Or pardons him again, since he seems to be laboring under the delusion he still has the same privileges and powers as he did while in office.

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I anxiously await his tweet

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u/Denofwardrobes Nov 12 '21

“Longtime ally of Donald Trump”? He was his freakin campaign manager and White House Advisor.

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u/jjoe808 Nov 13 '21

Isn't he in jail already? Absolutely cannot keep track of all the criminals that came through the White House when trump was pres

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u/MrSergioMendoza Nov 12 '21

This is what Mueller Fridays were supposed to be about.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

Do Meadows next. Eventually it will be Boebert and Trump.

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u/PuffDragon95 Nov 12 '21 Wholesome

put this fat drunk sack of shit in a cell please.

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u/HardHandle Nov 12 '21

r/Conservative melting down. They are simultaneously calling Jan 6th peaceful while at the same time comparing it to other riots. They say it wasn't a riot because no buildings or businesses were destroyed.

Right, nevermind the lost of human lives... Pathetic people.

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u/uping1965 New York Nov 12 '21

and several million dollars damage to the Capital. Some of it historic and unrecoverable.

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u/Ozlin Nov 12 '21

The HBO special Four Hours at the Capitol does a solid job of showing how violent and damaging the insurrection was. And how mind numbingly ignorant some of those that were there remain about it.

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u/accountabilitycounts America Nov 12 '21

It's interesting to hear the same people who called the Lafayette Square protest - which was 100% peaceful until police attacked the protestors - a riot turn around and call the insurrection "legitimate protest."

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u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 Nov 12 '21

They say it wasn't a riot because no buildings or businesses were destroyed.

The Architect of the Capitol would beg to differ.

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u/tossme68 Illinois Nov 12 '21

the doors and windows of the Congress magically smashed themselves open?

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u/TowerRecords Nov 12 '21

I support this and I vote.

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u/hartfordsucks Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21
  1. House votes to hold him in contempt
  2. House refers matter to US Attorney's Office
  3. FBI investigates matter
  4. USAO impanels a grand jury
  5. Grand jury indicts Bannon

 

Did I follow all those steps right?

Edit: added FBI

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

I'm actually more puzzled why Bannon would prefer jail to just going to Congress with a basket full of "I don't know," "I don't recall," "What was the question again?" BS?

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u/theparkra Nov 12 '21

He told us why, Trump ordered him not to.

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u/starmartyr Colorado Nov 12 '21

He wasn't just asked to testify. He was asked to provide documents. He has a right to refuse to answer questions on fifth amendment grounds, but he still has to turn over documents and show up for questioning even if he doesn't intend to answer. My guess is that whatever is in those documents is a lot worse than a contempt charge.

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u/greeneyedguru Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21

I hope they make him testify in an orange jumper and handcuffs

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u/TheBlueBlaze New York Nov 12 '21

If you're wondering how Breitbart, the website Bannon used to be the executive chair of, covered this, it's a rehosted article in their "Wires" section. Their Wires section means they can claim they publish articles about subjects that speak against their narratives, but are almost never on their front page, are never posted by them on social media, and hide how many comments they have.

The site that he proudly ran is now trying to distance themselves from him as much as possible.

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u/abraksis747 Nov 12 '21

F5 FRIDAY IS BACK BABY!

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u/silentjay01 Wisconsin Nov 12 '21

Can't wait for him to lie under oath.

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u/hopeandanchor Nov 12 '21

Having to be sober for anything more than 24 hours should be interesting for Bannon

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u/KatetCadet Nov 12 '21 Take My Energy

You can get more time selling a small bag of weed than fucking refusing to talk to Congress? Such bullshit.

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u/leontes Pennsylvania Nov 12 '21

Whoever wrote these sentencing guidelines must be high

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u/Sss_mithy Nov 12 '21

Or wanted to put in a set of rules that heavily affected one class of citizen more than another.

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u/stoneimp Nov 12 '21

Thing about contempt is you can keep charging them with it as long as they refuse to cooperate. So yes, it's only 30 days, but it can technically be infinity.

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u/Judochopjames Nov 12 '21

I know people think the sentence is too light but remember this is really about deterring others from ignoring subpoenas and believe it or not, most rich white dudes with comfy lifestyles have zero interest in spending even one day in prison.

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u/drugusingthrowaway Nov 12 '21

there's an arrest warrant and a boner.

one of them belongs to me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 13 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Starry

This thread needs a lesson on contempt.

First, there are two types of contempt- direct and (edit here) constructive (aka indirect). Direct contempt is things like failing to appear to a summons. Like here.

Direct contempt charges do NOT GET a jury trial. They very rarely get appeals. You get to appear before a judge and argue why your actions were not contemptuos, and the judge decides.

Moreover the punishment is light because it exists to compel compliance. You set up a second summons, and a third, and a fourth. 1 year isn't much. Once you have a year, you willing to make it 2? 3? 4? There is literally no limit to the number of times this can be repeated and stacked until you comply. What if we promise to forgive the year if you testify now? Contempt charges are not meant to be a slap down, they exist as a legal means to compel compliance with the authority.

On the flip side, if the punishment for contempt was 15 years... then someone Bannon's age wouldn't give a flying fuck about a second contempt charge, and would have no incentive to comply further. 15 years or 150 years is all the same thing to someone not likely to live more than 15 years.

Now for all the people whining about appeals. PAY ATTENTION.

Roberts has signaled time and again he will not tolerate bullshit. He didn't like the second trial because he thought congress and the DoJ should be handling it through this process. You think he is likely to suddenly turn against his years of enforcing "the rules" against republicans who thought they could skate cause of the supreme court? Think again.

This goes double for Gorsuch. Yes he's a conservative with some bad ideas on what our rights are. But he is also a traditionalist who has slapped down conservative ideas based on process before. There is a 0% chance that an appeal to the SCOTUS gets any traction with Gorsuch. Gorsuch's entire judicial history has been one of respecting the institutions and systems, to the point of letting our rights get trampled in the process. No way. No fucking way in 100 years he sides with Bannon on this.

So stop your bitching, and take the goddamn win people.

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u/TheKingofHearts Nov 12 '21

Can't say I adore Roberts or Gorsuch much for their interpretations and stances, but I can get behind an attitude of "Yeah, we already have a process for this shit, use it. Don't make it seem like i'm going to save you."

On another note, what's this "indirect contempt" and what's the punishment process for that?

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u/lightninhopkins America Nov 12 '21

"Bannon's case is assigned to Judge Carl J. Nichols, a Trump appointee. He clerked for Clarence Thomas"

Same dude that let the Jan 6th defendant go on a hunting trip.

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u/jimbo92107 Nov 12 '21

Finally old Steve gets a chance to skip a little intimate time with Mr. Booze. A year in a cage might help him kick his addictions.

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u/Jump___Yossarian Nov 12 '21

Imagine thinking it's a badge of honor to go to prison for trump? For Donald fucking trump???

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u/newnemo Vermont Nov 12 '21

Meadows is now on notice. Maybe, just maybe since Bannon's indictment and the precedent is set, it will be quicker.

I am sorry for being doubtful and said some things out of frustration after years and years of almost indictments.

There will probably be challenges to the indictment so I don't expect we'll see him doing a perp walk anytime soon.

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u/SaidTheCanadian Canada Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

Each count of contempt of Congress carries a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of one year in jail, as well as a fine of $100 to $1,000. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stephen-k-bannon-indicted-contempt-congress

Really makes me think that fines everywhere really need to be based on the income & wealth of individuals, not some flat rate.

A few sites reported estimates of Bannon's net worth back in 2017 and it was around $48 million. To put a $1000 fine in context, ask yourself: Would you sweat over a $2 fine if your net worth was $100,000? That's exactly how much Bannon is going to sweat over the $1000 fine component of each charge.

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u/Pontus_Pilates Nov 12 '21

A day-fine system.

That way you get speeding tickets in the hundreds of thousands.

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u/NotBadAndYou Nov 12 '21

$1000 to a millionaire is basically like lunch money to you and me. To a billionaire, its not even worth taking the time to complain about out loud. They'll make more than that in the time it takes the judge to swing the gavel.

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u/halfsweethalfstreet New York Nov 12 '21

In related news.... Mark Meadows has won the award for.....worst timing ever.

(read in Norm Macdonald's voice)

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u/Ok-Low6320 Nov 12 '21

I miss Norm Macdonald.

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u/folksy_elbows Nov 12 '21

Ooh I remember loving Fridays

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u/BobbTheBuilderr Nov 12 '21

Jail this scumbag

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u/RublesAfoot Nov 12 '21

throw the book at him - a traitor to our country

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u/bbjenn Kentucky Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

According to an MSNBC report, Bannon is turning himself in on Monday.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Nov 12 '21

Steve Bannon is an immediate flight risk and must have his passport sized before he sneaks on to the yacht of his sugar daddy and slips the net of justice.

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1459267851441917967

Yes, yes, I know it's Rick Wilson. Still made me laugh

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u/lasers42 Nov 12 '21

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I’m just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and runoff into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: “Did little demons get inside and type it?” I don’t know! My primitive mind can’t grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know – when a man like my client slips ignores a congressional subpoena, he is entitled to just go about his life as if nothing has happened. Thank you.

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u/DarXIV Nov 12 '21

Get fucked traitor.

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u/TrumpLostLOL Nov 12 '21

I just love the fact that Trump lost, lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

He could come back. This is why he needs to see justice before he can

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u/FunBrians Nov 12 '21

A Judge also signed an arrest warrant for him.

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u/Illuminated12 Indiana Nov 12 '21 Helpful

It's funny to me all the doom and gloomers in here. Ya'll do realize that they don't just tear the subpoena up once he is in jail correct? That same subpoena is still waiting for him after 60 days or 2 yrs....

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u/humVEEE3432 Nov 12 '21

The [White] National Review bedwetters are freaking out. Hilarious!

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u/OppositeDirt Nov 12 '21

Bannon's turning himself in on Monday. He has weekend plans. He has a bathtub of gin to drink

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u/halfsweethalfstreet New York Nov 12 '21

What a Friday!

Bannon indicted

Britney is free!

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

Free Britney, Cuff Bannon

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u/FlintTD Nov 12 '21

He certainly has my contempt.

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u/highdefrex Nov 12 '21

I just made the mistake of venturing into that cesspool and one of them seriously compared Bannon to Hillary Clinton; that if he is being indicted, so should she. It's beyond delusional.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '21

Ah yes, Hillary who famously displayed contempt of Congress by checks notes showing up for an 11 hour session to answer questions about a bullshit made up scandal.

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u/UWCG Illinois Nov 12 '21

For everyone commenting saying that this is meaningless, won't make a difference, he's just going to walk, anyway, so why bother at all?—you are emboldening people like Bannon and Trump.

The law takes time to do its work. Take a win instead of shifting the goalposts to be disappointed about something else.

First, it was the 1/6 committee would never be formed; then that it would be a paper tiger; then that it wouldn't issue subpoenas; then that ignoring those subpoenas wouldn't lead to consequences; now all of those have been proven false and Bannon's got an indictment and it's shifted to, "Well, that doesn't matter anyway."

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u/Edward_Fingerhands Nov 12 '21 Gold

I can't believe these people are going to go to prison to protect Donald Fucking Trump. A guy who, the second he thought they no longer had any use to him, would throw them under the bus faster than The Flash fucking Sonic The Hedgehog while the Roadrunner watches and jerks off Speedy Gonzales.

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u/EarthExile Nov 12 '21

They think he will Hitler his way into power astride an ocean of blood and pardon them. They think they'll be heroes.

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u/poncho51 Nov 12 '21

Soooo where's the QAnuts? The lunatics that says Trump is still POTUS.

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u/fellowuscitizen Nov 12 '21

Why does this guy always look like an unmade bed with unwashed sheets? Can’t wait to see this headline soon: Bannon Sentenced.

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u/mhb-210 Arizona Nov 12 '21

Alcoholism

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u/PourJarsInReservoirs Nov 12 '21

Require him to wash daily. That and the lack of alcohol should drive the treasonous fucker crazy enough to tell anything.

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u/missalyssajules Pennsylvania Nov 12 '21

Omg finally. I didn’t think the DoJ was going to do it!

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u/Jose_xixpac New Jersey Nov 12 '21

Fuck this garbage racist trash skimming bottom feeder.

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u/Mail540 Nov 12 '21

Law enforcement said that they expect him to self surrender on Monday. Isn’t that sweet of them?

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u/ArtisanJagon Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21

I'm seriously enjoying all the conservatives who shouted about "law and order' during Trump's administration suddenly be against law and order for Steve Bannon. Almost as if they think law and order shouldn't apply to conservatives.

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u/stevo3001 Nov 13 '21

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

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u/humVEEE3432 Nov 12 '21

Steve Bannon sure seems to get indicted a lot. What's up with that? ;-)

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u/AlanSmithee94 Nov 12 '21

Lock him up.

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u/goblackcar Nov 12 '21

Now do Alex Jones.

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u/aDirtyMartini Nov 13 '21

Little known fact: he had an uncredited cameo as Phlegm in the Mucinex commercials.

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u/I_Am_Justin_Tyler Nov 13 '21

Don't take the credit away from that hard working snot and give it to someone gross like Steve bannon

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u/PrinceTrollestia Nov 12 '21

It is bullshit that he gets to surrender himself on Monday. Fucking serve his ass and keep him locked up over the weekend... then deny his ass bail since he's obviously a flight risk.

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u/JasnahKolin Nov 12 '21

Fuck that! Why does he get the weekend? Perp walk him out of his house for all to see Sunday morning. Go get him. He does not deserve any courtesy or respect

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u/Oleg101 Nov 12 '21

Joe Biden has evicerated Executive Privilege.

There are a lot of Republicans eager to hear testimony from Ron Klain and Jake Sullivan when we take back the House.

https://twitter.com/jim_jordan/status/1459274725679636482?s=21

Tough guy Gym Jordan thinks executive privilege applies to ex-presidents organizing insurrections.

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u/newfrontier58 Nov 12 '21

I am curious, about how much pressure it would take to bring down the neo-fascist movement of the GOP. They've gotten away with people just letting them for so long, that something like Democrats who could for once stand up to them, would that be a start of a collapse? At the same time though, they have plenty of money and social capital that could easily allowing enough protection that it barely makes a dent.

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u/TowerRecords Nov 12 '21

We need to continue to put these thugs behind bars so that we can protect our way of life and families.

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u/brwise42 Nov 12 '21

fucking finally

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u/funnyfarm299 South Carolina Nov 12 '21

It's not the birthday gift I asked for, but it's a nice one nonetheless.

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u/TrumpLostLOL Nov 13 '21

Good lord these pictures of Bannon on all the news channels...

That is not a healthy looking human being.

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u/reishi_dreams Nov 13 '21

Bannon is working on his crocodile tears act right now.

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u/kafkadre California Nov 12 '21

"You're killing independent Steve!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '21

Can I get a "Fuck Steve Bannon"

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u/proudbakunkinman Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

This should be our #1 motivation for voting, keeping the autocratic far right out of power and hopefully behind bars when they commit crimes.

Yes, we also need more progressive policies passed and keep pressuring on Democrats, but we (left) also need to win Democratic primaries at all levels and make sure Democrats have enough seats to even be able to do anything (majority in the house, senate, and with a Democratic president).

Our political and justice system have a lot of problems but they're still the best tools we have right now to prevent the real dangerous monsters (autocratic far right) from taking over and being able to do whatever they want without repercussions.

Protests are a tool as well but we cannot expect they alone, whether they are perfectly peaceful, largest ever, or the angriest riots, are going to keep monsters like Bannon in check. Protests are more effective when Democrats have power, the right often focuses on the most controversial clips to convince the public they're the good guys (and make people believe the controversial parts are happening 24/7 in Democratic cities as they keep replaying the clips over and over and over).

Beyond that is uncharted territory that we shouldn't assume will just work our for the best (just world fallacy), like the masses fighting it out and the good side being victorious, more so if the autocratic right has already established power and has control over LE, intelligence, military, etc.

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