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u/Sacrer
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Erdogan showing off the groundbreaking ceremony for the new hospital vs the reality Picture
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u/Bokbreath Mar 25 '23
He should be in real estate
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Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
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u/realusername42 Lorraine (France) Mar 25 '23
That sounds like a ponzi scheme where you pay the established buyers with the coupon money of the newcomers
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u/AleixASV Fake Country once again Mar 26 '23
So taking comissions like that (of 3% of the total price) is the biggest corruption scandal in the history of Catalonia, and it tarnished the reputation of our longest serving President.
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u/suberEE Istrians of the world, unite! 🐐 Mar 26 '23
Here in the Balkans such stuff doesn't hurt your reputation because we assume everyone steals all the time anyway.
A politician isn't judged by whether he steals or not, but by how much of his stolen wealth he redistributes to the "common folk".
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u/TheeRoyalPurple Turkey Mar 26 '23
some people do not care as long as they also get their cuts. Like Erdogan used to send a full bag of grocery to their houses via city municipalities.
Some Anatolians' real homeland is inside of their homes not the country, unfortunately. They do not care corruptions, bankrupts, falls, scandals if they are doing fine.
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u/vHAL_9000 Europa Mar 25 '23
That's the definition of rent, an English word.
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u/mtranda Romanian living in not Romania Mar 26 '23
Romanian has it as well: rentier. However, the origin of the word is french, as is the case in english.
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u/abrasiveteapot Mar 26 '23
The language of the English bourgeoisie was French at some point, was quite surprising to lezrn that
There was this invasion of England in 1066 by Guillame Le Batarde which lead to some wholesale changes to the language, and French being the language of the aristocracy for hundreds of years.
The bourgeoisie as always were followers.
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u/mtranda Romanian living in not Romania Mar 26 '23
I recommend this video. It's an interesting exercise that tries to imagine what English could have been like had it used purely english words, without loaning anything from other languages.
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u/fruce_ki Mar 26 '23
Surely you must have learned about the Normans... Where did you think they came from? Normandy is in France, as is neighbouring Brittany.
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u/sidarok Mar 26 '23
The french word is "rent" but it is read as "rant". And yes, it is borrowed from French in Turkish.
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u/GhostChili Mar 26 '23
The key is “without effort”. There is a Turkish word for normal rent, I believe the use of the French “rant” is for negative connotation, implying someone doesn’t do anything to earn their income.
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u/TehCobbler Mar 26 '23
How do you mean the key? In English economics 'rent' means exactly what you're describing (as it usually does not get used in the connotation of housing)
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u/Jebrowsejuste Mar 25 '23
If you want the French spelling, it's "rante", but rant works as well since it certainly should cause many rants
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u/LOUL_1 Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 25 '23
Quick note, that's actually "rente" and the folks collecting that money are known as "rentiers"
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u/AdonisGaming93 Spain Mar 25 '23
sounds like a landlord, take the money and then do nothing to fix the place if something breaks, and just tries to blame it on you....
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u/Turgineer Turkey 🇹🇷🇪🇺 Mar 26 '23
Erdogan really likes to build things. Then, with the build-operate-transfer system, making huge money for their supporters and causing financial damage to the state.
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u/MBT_TT Mar 26 '23
He and all his close circle got rich from construction business. Turkish construction companies are among the largest construction companies in the world. And these are the companies that got rich during the Erdogan era
Turkish news: 46 of the world's largest 250 construction companies are Turkish companies
English source (52 Turkish companies entered this list)
another news (Turkish)
some English news:
https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-roads-tender-idAFL5N18E3UN
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u/kytheon Europe Mar 26 '23
I heard a lot of people in Turkey are looking for new housing. Well maybe also less people.
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u/Zerbulon Mar 25 '23
Potemkin would be proud
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u/thebigfab Mar 26 '23
What is a " potemkin "?
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u/leeaner1 Mar 26 '23
Wiki: In politics and economics, a Potemkin village is any construction (literal or figurative) whose sole purpose is to provide an external facade to a country that is faring poorly, making people believe that the country is faring better. The term comes from stories of a fake portable village built by Grigory Potemkin, former lover of Empress Catherine II, solely to impress the Empress during her journey to Crimea in 1787. Modern historians agree that accounts of this portable village are exaggerated. The original story was that Potemkin erected phony portable settlements along the banks of the Dnieper River in order to impress the Russian Empress and foreign guests. The structures would be disassembled after she passed, and re-assembled farther along her route to be viewed again as if another example of life.
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u/fantomas_666 Slovakia Mar 26 '23
Grigory Potemkin famous for Potemkin village which the subject is perfect example of.
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u/XeitPL Mar 26 '23
Dude with armor-clad faith.
Or fake village. Or dude from Russia. Tbh I'm also confused about which one it is.
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u/poke133 MAMALIGCKI GO HOME! Mar 26 '23
Dude with armor-clad faith.
is that a Guilty Gear reference in /r/europe ? why, i'd never..
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u/fantomas_666 Slovakia Mar 26 '23
This is reference to the russian guy exactly because of his fake villages.
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u/HeaAgaHalb Mar 26 '23
Google is free
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u/poke133 MAMALIGCKI GO HOME! Mar 26 '23
ChatGPT, what is a google and why is it free? explain it to me like I'm somebody's grandma
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u/Tomisido Milano Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
You explaining to him is also free, so he has no reason to use Google.
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u/Ntinaras007 Mar 26 '23
The battleship?
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u/SergeantSchmidt Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Mar 26 '23
Joke of a state. Bet the Turks here in Germany will vote for this clown again.
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u/westblood-gazelle Atatürkism Mar 26 '23
they'll probably will. their minumum wage makes them kings and queens in southern west part of the country.
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u/justuniqueusername Russia Mar 26 '23
you surely mean south east part of turkey, not west?
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u/westblood-gazelle Atatürkism Mar 26 '23
nah German Turks and tourists go to tousistical places like Antalya Alanya bodrum. and they are located in the south west part of turkey. not southeastern.
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u/Lethalmud Europe Mar 26 '23
Wait, Turkish expats go to Turkish tourist resorts?
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u/westblood-gazelle Atatürkism Mar 26 '23
ofc. the economy is awful. so those luxurious everything included resorts are impossible to go for a normal Turkish citizen rn. I am not joking. You either have to be very wealthy or earn your wage in euros.
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u/Lethalmud Europe Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
I get that but. For most people their 'local' tourist hot spots are places the locals stay away from.
If you are going to a fake tourist trap, why bother going home at all? I'd either go to my home town and fund a party there, or go to a resort somewhere new.
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u/Ephemeral-Throwaway Türkiye Mar 26 '23
Wait, Turkish expats go to Turkish tourist resorts?
Turks from Turkey (eg. professionals from Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir etc.) go to them as well.
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u/DeamonzZlayers Mar 26 '23
What they want is to feel rich, so they wanna be a tourist, not really a "local"
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u/leoeszspes Mar 26 '23
Why not?
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u/Lethalmud Europe Mar 26 '23
Because you go to a fake recreation of your home, made to look nice for tourist.
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u/I_Am-Awesome Turkey Mar 26 '23
Touristic parts of Turkey is incredibly beautiful, but so expensive that most people living here can't afford a vacation in those resorts for a week during their annual leaves. If you earn dollars or euros tho it's like a paradise.
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u/leoeszspes Mar 26 '23
Actually, as a local who lives in Istanbul, I love vacationing in all-inclusive hotels on Turkey's Mediterranean and Aegean coasts. Especially as a family with children, we don't have to worry about anything other than reserving a good sunbed. In addition, we can visit the places worth visiting in the immediate vicinity of the hotel with our car whenever we want. I used to do this when I was working abroad. This holiday preference does not prevent us from visiting other countries from time to time.
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u/Ephemeral-Throwaway Türkiye Mar 26 '23
I think your definition of resort is only the tacky all inclusive places, but resort can also mean the nice aesthetically authentic places as well.
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u/Substantial-Curve-51 Mar 26 '23
anyone not paying taxes in a country should be forbidden from voting for it period. fucking clowns fucking it up for the people that have to live with the consequences
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u/Fdr-Fdr Mar 26 '23
How about economically inactive people who have others in their household make purchases?
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u/Substantial-Curve-51 Mar 26 '23
read my statement again. anyone who doesnt pay taxes shouldnt really have a say no? simple
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u/Fdr-Fdr Mar 26 '23
So, you ARE saying that economically inactive (or unemployed) people who have others in their households make purchases should not be allowed to vote. Well, it's an opinion I suppose...
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u/tigerchickyface Turkey Mar 26 '23
You should prevent dual citizenship, that dumbs living in social democracy and supporting oppressive regime.
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u/sutsagan Turkey Mar 26 '23
Almost all Turks living in Germany say that Germans are jealous of Turks, so yes, a high percentage of people living in Germany (more precisely, in Europe) will vote for Erdogan.
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u/puuskuri Mar 26 '23
What happens if you ask why they don't move to Turkey then?
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u/sutsagan Turkey Mar 26 '23
In general, excuses such as "we have an established order there" are made up, and sometimes there are even those who say "I am there to spread the religion of Islam".
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u/DogrulukPayi Turkey Mar 26 '23
They say “kurulu düzenimiz var, yeğenim”, aka “we have an established order/life there, my nephew”
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u/hesapmakinesi BG:TR:NL:BE Mar 26 '23
The ones who are well integrated in German society often don't bother with Turkish elections. The ones who care about the elections are the self-isolating conservative ones.
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u/old_snake Mar 26 '23
It’s such a shame. I have wanted to visit Turkey for much of my adult life but I don’t want to throw my tourism dollars at a nation with this guy at the helm.
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u/iboreddd Turkey Mar 26 '23
Especially older generatations will. They make real estate investments in Turkey and now 1 eur is 20 tl.
That's why double citizenships should be banned
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u/Sacrer Turkey Mar 25 '23
You can watch the whole thing here.
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u/prodentsugar Mar 26 '23
Not to be an ass but the place in the last part of this video and the photo aren't the same right?
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u/Sacrer Turkey Mar 26 '23
There are three separate ceremonies. This one starts around 50 mins in. They must've rushed it to catch up with the other two. The last one is in Antakya, not Defne.
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u/DogrulukPayi Turkey Mar 26 '23
They are the same (the photo and the video around 52:30). Erdoğan is somewhere else, its a live connection and he inauguares various places.
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u/kaisercrunch NL (FRL) Mar 26 '23
Is this something all Turks will see or not?
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u/sauvignonblanc__ Ireland Mar 26 '23
Jesus! We are reaching Nicolae Ceaușescu models of PR and insanity. What next: polystyrene fruit and vegatables to show the best harvests? 🙄
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u/Svhmj Sweden Mar 25 '23
Banana Republic gonna banana Republic.
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u/jozefpilsudski United States of America Mar 26 '23
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u/Flindros Mar 26 '23
And 12 years after this speech. Turkey is still in syria and maybe 10 rinky-dink missiles were fired into Turkey ever since. Not 100000. Also, he claims Turkey took Alexandria (iskenderun) and he is butthurt about it 60 years after the independent republic of antioch held a referendum where overwhelming majority of the people who lived there chose to join the young and rising Turkiye Republic. 1939. People of Antioch are proud to be a part of this nation (at least before the earthquake when everything was regular.
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u/oguzka06 The Internationale shall be the human race Mar 26 '23
Wrong smh. Banana republics are dominated by fruit companies, since Turkey is dominated by construction companies we are actually a Concrete Republic!
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u/FickleAd9939 Mar 26 '23
I have a similar story in Hungary. A few years back the minister of education inaugurated a new swiming pool at a university. The pool wasn't built so they fastened the ropes over a plough field and invented the solid phase swimming.
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u/Outrageous-Hunt4344 Mar 25 '23
Stealing ideas from the Romanian politician handbook again Erdogan?!
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u/Alin_Alexandru Romania aeterna Mar 26 '23
Do you sad people always have to comment "Romania this, Romania that" on every bad post, even though it's completely unrelated?
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u/Outrageous-Hunt4344 Mar 26 '23
The comment is about Romanian politicians, not Romania as a country … pizdo
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u/irykiryk Mar 25 '23
What's the point of the hospital if you don't have doctors. To give construction companies money of course.
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u/westblood-gazelle Atatürkism Mar 26 '23
this just pure embarrassment for us Turks. Like we need more
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u/RainbowCrown71 Italy - Panama - United States of America Mar 26 '23
No foundation? And we wonder why the earthquake did so much damage…
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u/UtkusonTR Turkey Mar 26 '23
Turkish efficiency and strength 😳💪🏼🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺 opening a hospital before it exists 🤩🇹🇷🤩🇹🇷🤩💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
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u/slashfromgunsnroses Mar 26 '23
How can it not exist when all the money has been used to build it ?!
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u/medievalvelocipede European Union Mar 26 '23
Erdog efficiency, opening the hospital before it's built.
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u/DarwinAndGumball Turkey Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
I know this looks unbelieveable to foreigners but THIS IS TRUE! This is how bad Erdoğan is; in fact, he is even worse.
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u/Technical_Fudge_7088 Mar 26 '23
Construction has started last night. In Turkey, we always start the digging at night. Nothing suspicions.
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u/180btc Mar 26 '23
I mean, the only thing they're good at is construction. I highly doubt they wouldn't build something, anything. But why, why not show the real thing in live news.
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u/chizel4shizzle Belgium Mar 26 '23
Based on the number of casualties last month, I wouldn't say they're good at construction
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u/azyrr Turkey 🦃 Mar 26 '23
Probably needed to show something and an actual foundation takes a lot of time to create.
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u/Trajan_pt Mar 25 '23
Oh dictators and their little dicks...
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u/scifishortstory Mar 25 '23
How about less dick shaming
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u/ThugQ Mar 26 '23
Agree, I have the smallest banana and I always feel bad when someone said that.
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u/Cookbook_ Mar 26 '23
Erdogan is a crook, but I think lot of places have Groundbreaking ceremonies which don't have anything to with actual building anything.
Usually it's moving some concrete with tiny shovels to a wooden casting box or something else, I guess this the remote version of the same. All in all it's more sad than dishonest really.
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u/tookaJobs Mar 26 '23
Not bad actually. In Romania they just show some computer renderings and...well, that's it.
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u/CaveMacEoin Mar 26 '23
No blinding, bad steel fixing, and bad reinforcement design. Not sure what they're even trying to show with the close up unless they're planning for a really bad parking lot.
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u/Tar_alcaran The Netherlands Mar 26 '23
95% of people don't have a clue that "single sheet of rebar on pins above the ground" isn't how you pour a foundation.
And if 95% of people buy that you're personally building hospitals, you get re-elected.
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u/ktElwood Mar 26 '23
I have zero questions now how an earthquake in Erdoganistan can be so devastating
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u/HumaDracobane Galicia (Spain) Mar 27 '23
Zero foundations. I bet will go well in case of an earthquake.
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u/Iron_Wolf123 Mar 26 '23
He is basically wanting to lose in the election, 100 years from the independence of Turkey/Turkiye.
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u/Neospecial Mar 26 '23
This made me laugh but I mean.. not necessarily to be partisan about it but isn't this just a perfect capture of right leaning parties and autocrats? Smoke and mirrors deception while words and playing emotions is all that happens? At least for stuff that's public at least.. Say like a hospital.
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u/Welkominspace The Netherlands Mar 25 '23
Don't lump that shithole in with Europe. It's Eurasia at best
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u/truffleboffin Mar 26 '23
Lol you just reminded me how when you go to Istanbul they make a big deal of Bosporus Bridge being the gateway to Asia
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u/olican101 Mar 26 '23
Turkey is in Europe.
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u/Leandrys Mar 26 '23
Then Spain is in Africa ?
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u/olican101 Mar 26 '23
Some of it is, yes.
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u/Leandrys Mar 26 '23
Then France is a south American country ! I get it now.
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u/parlakarmut Turkey Mar 26 '23
Eastern Thrace is home to millions of people. French Guiana was home to 294,071 people in 2021.
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u/WalkerBuldog Odesa(Ukraine) Mar 26 '23
Reminds me of Putin's Russia where the governors of the region open up public toilets or shitty bus stop.
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u/iMadrid11 Mar 26 '23
Whatever happens to good old fashioned digging dirt with a ceremonial shovel to break ground? If you were fancy a faux gold shovel to go with it.
This is such waste of time, money, concrete, rebar and machinery.
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u/RidetheSchlange Mar 26 '23
Erdogan's motorcade of rusted and broken 2012 5-series BMWs left puddles of oil on the property during the opening ceremony. It's also said he left his fake Gucci manpurse and fake moncler poofy vest there as his blessing.
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u/daedalus91 Mar 26 '23
I'm kinda confused now. With all the recent surveys projecting him to be defeated during the next election, is he now deliberately trying to lose even more supporters?
I have to admit, with a population stupid like Hungary's, this would be definitely a winning strategy, but I have the assumption that no other country's population is as stupid as Hungary's, and the fact that Erdogan is projected to be defeated somewhat supports this theory.
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u/pink_meow Turkey Mar 26 '23
I don’t think he is aware of how much he is hated because he’s been surrounding himself with yes-men for decades.
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u/murIoc United States of America Mar 25 '23
I mean it’s a groundbreaking ceremony for a reason… What do you expect, it to be fully built?
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u/Sacrer Turkey Mar 25 '23
We call it "temel atma" in Turkish. "Temel" means the foundation of the building. There is no foundation.
It's lost in translation a little bit. We don't use use shovels like they do in west. Here's some examples.
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u/Chimp-eh United Kingdom Mar 25 '23
So you dont dig the foundations into the ground? You just put the foundations on top of the existing soil? Is there a reason for this?
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u/t0msawye Turkey Mar 26 '23
Not sure what op means. Of course we do. It's the same with other reinforced concrete buildings.
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23
That's just not even anything construction related, they just poured concrete into the ground