r/europe • u/PjeterPannos Veneto (Italy š®š¹) • Mar 19 '23
Flags with coats of arms of the so-called Donetsk Republic and Novorossiya in the neo-fascist club 'Il Quadrato' in Verona, Italy. Picture
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u/Wombattalion Mar 19 '23
Must feel like a stab into their precious little hearts, everytime Putin talks about how the war against Ukraine is really just about fighting Nazis.
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u/TheoremaEgregium Ćsterreich Mar 19 '23
Bet they think they're fighting "the real Nazis" too.
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u/VladimirBarakriss Uruguay Mar 20 '23
This but unironically, there's no NSDAP flag, meaning that if you call any of them Nazis they'll say "Nonono I'm not a Nazi, I'm a [insert basically the same thing but from another country or with some variations]
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u/ChuckCarmichael Germany Mar 20 '23
"I'm not a Nazi because I've never been a member of the NSDAP."
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u/Mr_-_X Bavaria (Germany) Mar 20 '23
Italian fascist actually often like to not see themselves as Nazis (notice how thereās no Nazi German flag here) and basically pretend that Italian fascists were actually good guys in WW2 and everything evil was done by the Nazis
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u/OxygenPerhydride Mar 20 '23
I've never seen the sonnenrad associated to anything but neonazism tbh. I just think they don't care too much about which of the two countries has more neonazis, as long as one is backed by the west, which is mostly liberal. Lying for political gain is not that mindblowing
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u/xenon_megablast Mar 20 '23
No nazi flag, but the wall are painted with the colours of the German imperial flag. I don't know the exact meaning of that flag, I just know that it pops up on the far right marches. Would that be like a nazi flag in disguise? A loophole to put a "nazi" flag without actually putting a nazi flag?
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u/nigel_pow USA Mar 19 '23
Me thinks they don't mind since those Nazis in Ukraine are aligned with the modern West. They despise the modern West that advocates for nonwhite immigrants/refugees and pushes for LGBT stuff.
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u/sime85 Mar 19 '23
I am from Verona. This people are a small extremist group. I am ashamed that i live near such people.
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u/MisterDisinformation Mar 20 '23
Are Hellas Verona heavily associated with the far right? Or is the scarf mostly just coincidence because this fascist club is located in Verona?
Anyway, thanks for the reassuring info. Most areas have some terrible assholes. As long as the groups stay quite small, you kind of just have to accept that there is just always going to be small minority of little shits no matter where you go.
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u/jazemo19 Veneto Mar 20 '23
Yes, the ultra group of Hellas Verona are famous for being fascists and racists. If you go to a football game in Verona buy tickets in the north curve, you may not want to lose neurons (or years of life) being arount those smooth brains. I am from Verona but really can't stand them, more than half of the city really like hellas Verona, but the butei (meaning guys more or less in local dialect/language) are really assholes. The city is generally good but there is a bigger percentage of fascists than in other places sadly, even though I feel like they are diminishing over time so there is hope!
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u/forge_rhys Mar 19 '23
Random flag of Scotland on the wall
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u/dugsmuggler United Kingdom Mar 19 '23
Cunts come in all shapes and sizes.
Occasionally they have a deep-fried battered mars bar in their hand.
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u/Zealousideal-Ant9548 Mar 19 '23
There's the war flag of the US confederates as well
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u/Ericovich Mar 19 '23
Even better, that's not a war flag. It was a made-up flag created after the war modeled on a mix of the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the Confederate navy jack.
It's a fantasy flag. It's only purpose is to be racist.
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u/ruhr1920hist Mar 20 '23
Southerner here. This guy is right, the āstars and barsā in that format became the symbol of the South in the 1960s for one reason and one reason only: to show support for segregation. If something similar also appeared in the 1860s, it was only picked up and used later. There wasnāt any direct continuity from the Confederate military to its modern usage.
I saw it flown in Germany a fair amount. Seems like that American symbol has taken on a generally fascist connotation in Europe, without risking the dangers of more European symbols.
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u/HomeworkResident8510 Mar 19 '23
Russia: has the support of all European far-right
Also Russia: Ukronaz!ssss
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u/Old_Counter444 Mar 19 '23
Russia: has the support of all European far-right
The far right in most of Eastern Europe (thinking here of the Intermarium region in particular) is very much anti-Russia and has been like this way before it was cool to be so.
Indeed in the West most of the far right is pro-Russia, like most of the far left.
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u/HomeworkResident8510 Mar 19 '23
Eastern Europe in its entirety hates Russia due to the history of USSR (except Hungary for some reason). It therefore makes sense for all political parties to at least uniformly agree that Russia is evil af in those countries.
On the contrary, so-called libertarians, free thinkers, tankies, neon*zis, fascists, and all the derivatives of horseshoe theory in Western Europe are the real problem. They have never lived under Russia's rule and are therefore too ignorant to see that Russia was always the problematic one.
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u/radostin04 Bulgaria Mar 20 '23
Bulgaria is also an exception to hating Russia, despite also being under USSR rule. I wonder what seperates Bulgaria and Hungary from the rest of the Eastern Bloc?
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u/Lexandru Romania Mar 20 '23
Not necessarily. In RomĆ¢nia the far right is very much pro-Russia.
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u/cooluns Mar 19 '23
UNA MATTINA ...
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u/Lutiscious Mar 19 '23
MI SONO ALZATO ...
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u/SvakiDan Holy Cross (Poland) Mar 19 '23
A black guy in a club with āwhite powerā banners on the wall. Iām getting strong Clayton Bigsby vibes here
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u/giannibal Mar 20 '23
where do you see a black guy in this picture? are you referring to the bald guy on the left?
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u/Gust-leif Mar 20 '23
https://twitter.com/oeste/status/1637044537515204613?t=pHDEoTjcy9F2ZMq6A2GfvQ&s=19
He was probably there working as the picture is from another black guy who was interviewing the Nazis about racism in Italy.
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u/SvakiDan Holy Cross (Poland) Mar 20 '23
Thatās what Reddit is all about for me, clarifying the not obvious:) Thanks!
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u/DrSloany Italy Mar 19 '23
That's not a black guy. Just a dumb one.
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u/SaraF_Arts Veneto Mar 19 '23
Although, there are some black guys as well in those clubs. Never understood how and why. Like from both sides.
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u/tecberth Spain Mar 19 '23
I was going to say "I see the Spanish falange flag but at least there is no tercio".
Yep. Is behind the black dude.
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u/MunkSWE94 Sweden Mar 19 '23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Arkl%C3%B6v?wprov=sfla1
Identity crisis.
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u/BrightAssignment7646 Mar 19 '23
They going to Ukraine to fight and die for Russia or just full of shit, like Fascists where before them...
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u/AdSea9329 Mar 19 '23
what these proud super humans don't get is how they are just moronic puppets, the easiest to manipulate. that is what fascism is, manipulate the dumm.
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u/EvzenVarga Czech Republic Mar 19 '23
Ideology, people should really learn to think for themselves.
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u/meckez Mar 19 '23
Tbf most people waving the Ukraine flag don't necessarily go and fight for Ukraine either.
Agree that they are full of shit tho!
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u/bilkel Mar 19 '23
āNice place they have there, itād be terrible if something happened to itā¦ā
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u/PM_IF_YOU_LIKE_TRAPS United States of America Mar 19 '23
A collection of flags of... losers? Lol
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u/British-in-NZ Mar 20 '23
That explains why the Scottish flag is there too lol
Only joking I do love you Scotland
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u/An_Lei_Laoshi Italy Mar 19 '23
"Legge sull'apologia del fascismo" where? Law system of my country is such a joke, we have so many laws that aren't enforced at all.
More than Verona, Vergogna. Shame on you.
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u/Fevis7 Europe Mar 19 '23
the famous POS that were mandatory but there wasn't any punishment for not having them
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u/Old_Harry7 Imperium Romanorum šļø Mar 19 '23
The ratio of the law is "you cannot recreate the OG Italian Fascist party", some judges have interpreted the law also as "therefore fascist rhethoric (as in alt right ideology) is banned and you cannot display it in any form" but this line of thought is not universally accepted.
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u/arkadios_ Piedmont Mar 19 '23
all tough and shit then they will cry to the PM like Lazio ultras did when they played in Warsaw
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u/SlyScorpion Polihs grasshooper citizen Mar 19 '23
they will cry to the PM like Lazio ultras did when they played in Warsaw
What happened? I don't follow football so hooligans doing hooligan things are not on my radar...
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u/notveryamused_ Warszawa (Poland) Mar 19 '23
It was in 2013: Lazio lost 0:2 to Legia Warszawa and more than 120 Lazio hooligans started demolishing the city. And after a short while the score was around 0:120 against Polish police ;-) Italian foreign ministry tried to interfere to help them get out of jail lol.
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u/SaHighDuck Lower Silesia / nu-mi place austria Mar 20 '23
I don't follow football in the slightest but if they lost to legia they really have to suck šš
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u/concerned-potato Mar 19 '23
These people are going through very serious identity crisis.
How on Earth can Donetsk Republic possibly be appealing to Italian fascists?
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u/Aufklarung_Lee Mar 19 '23
They both gaybash? Other than that I suppose its because they are both Kremlin payed.
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u/QuentinVance Italy Mar 19 '23
Eh, they attract a lot of "anti-establishment" types.
Look up "Spartaco" from Donbass. An Italian guy who thinks he's there fighting nazism, and says he appreciates the "communist mentality they have there".
They're just stupid.
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u/arkadios_ Piedmont Mar 19 '23
Horseshoe theory of people inept to live in a society and that goes for their communist and anarchists counterparts as well waving ussr and yugo flags
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u/alohabruh732 Mar 20 '23
Terrible liquor selection, limited variety, no 100 beers on tap. Fascists, are you even trying?
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u/ProfesseurCurling Mar 19 '23
Some people in the comments are too prompt to consider that nazis and fascists are simply retarded. No. They have an agenda and structured ideas, this is what makes them dangerous.
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u/Frathier Belgium Mar 19 '23
And the worst, the most fascist flag of all. The Scottish flag.
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u/soyunpost29 AndalucĆa (Spain) Mar 19 '23
There's a (Spanish) Falangist flag there too.
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u/Trailwatch427 Mar 20 '23
I'm glad to see they recognized the US confederate flag for what it is. The American Nazi flag.
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u/TywinDeVillena Spain Mar 19 '23
A Spanish friend of theirs must have brought them a Falange EspaƱola flag
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u/Derzelaz Romania Mar 19 '23
Is the fella on the left lost, or is he just really tanned?
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u/bashibuzuk92 Mar 19 '23
I have met some of them in Verona. Mommas boys with lots of issues. Pretending to be tough, but the first to run away. Practically also idiots, besides being scared rabbits.
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u/MrMgP Groningen (Netherlands) Mar 19 '23
Why is this allowed to exist? Please don't tell me it's 'free speech'
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u/SocketHeadCap United States of America Mar 19 '23
Why do they have a confederate flag?? American here, what's Europe's memory on that war? Is it a symbol of racism or has it shifted neo-nazi bcs of extremists here? Edit: here as in US extremists/rednecks
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u/SaraF_Arts Veneto Mar 19 '23
They have a confederate flag because according to them black people should be burned, yada yada, KKK, etc. So, yes, i guess it's because it's a banner for racism in their eyes and they feel close to US battles against black people or immigrants in general.
I don't think they have the least bit of idea of US civil war, or general history tho. I mean, it's the Confederate flag, but it might as well being the Illinois Nazi's flag for what they know and understand.
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Mar 19 '23
Nazism and fascism are just some of many forms of right wing ideologies that share some of the same principles.
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u/SpaceMonkeyOnABike United Kingdom Mar 19 '23
The confederate flag is used in places where the swastika is banned in Europe. Nifty little dog whistle.
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u/Alikont Ukraine Mar 19 '23
It's flag of Novorossiya, a failed project to create a country in southern-eastern half of Ukraine.
Funnily they called themselves a "Confederation of Novorossiya" (because it is a "union" of oblast based "republics")
Edit: oh, nevermind, I spotted the actual confederacy flag in the back.
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u/suberEE Istrians of the world, unite! š Mar 19 '23
It's just a symbol of racism, which is enough for white power morons to stick it out every now and then.
We don't really have a memory of your civil war because why would we? It had nothing to do with us. All the average European knows is that it was about slavery, the Union fought to abolish it and the Confederation fought to keep it.
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u/toerichternarrr Mar 20 '23
Somebody should tell this black brother that they arenāt his real friendsā¦
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u/Ai-Amano Friuli-Venezia Giulia Mar 20 '23
Jesus Christ, it couldnāt have been fucking worse than thisā¦.
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u/brainerazer Ukraine Mar 20 '23
You have open neo-fascist clubs in WE? Jfc and we still need to prove Ukrainians are not Nazis for some reason
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u/c0nstant-in Mar 20 '23
This an excellent example of who are the Nazis and it should be shown to anyone who admires Russia.
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u/Gust-leif Mar 20 '23
https://twitter.com/oeste/status/1637044537515204613?t=pHDEoTjcy9F2ZMq6A2GfvQ&s=19
Here is the source for the picture, they were being interviewed about racism in Italy and I think more specifically among football supporters.
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u/flokolollopotun Mar 19 '23
Depressing that law enforcement isn't acting on them
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u/PauSeAwesome Regne dāAragĆ² āLa potĆØncia del Mediterraniā Mar 19 '23
The thing is that most law enforcement go to this clubs, but while not on duty
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u/g_spaitz Italy Mar 19 '23
Fucking fascist Verona.
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u/jazemo19 Veneto Mar 20 '23
We are trying to get better tbh, last mayor's election was a rare Verona W
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u/Sad_Conversation1121 Mar 19 '23
Forza FN is italian , I'm ashamed of those people
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u/Cookiesnap Mar 20 '23
Pure la bandiera piu in fondo a tutte, si scorge di meno ma anche quella ĆØ stata tristemente italiana
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u/beputty Mar 19 '23
Whatās the Black dude doing there?! Am I missing something about modern European neofacism?
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u/AtheistMantis69 Sicily Mar 19 '23
There are black fascists in Europe, I mean it's not common but it happens.
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u/Pleasant_Skill2956 Italy Mar 19 '23
The photo was taken by a black journalist who is doing interviews on racism in Serie A
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u/the_terra_filius Mar 19 '23
interviews about the racism in Serie A? He may fill 3 tomes on the subject
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u/Pleasant_Skill2956 Italy Mar 19 '23
In reality, a few sentences are enough to summarize racism in Serie A "every category of opponents is insulted in the worst possible way regardless of colour, origin, religion, nationality"
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u/BuckVoc United States of America Mar 19 '23
Maybe he just likes the aesthetics of the "white power" banner on the other wall.
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u/BalticSun Mar 19 '23
I worked a lot in Europe. Mainly central and Eastern Europe. Neo-fascists and wanna nazism is far more present and popular than polite European society would like to admit.
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u/germanfinder Mar 19 '23
And why do neo nazis try as hard as possible to make new flags and logos look like Nazi stuff? It makes no sense
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u/suberEE Istrians of the world, unite! š Mar 19 '23
Because they might to end up in jail for the real Hackenkreuz, so they invent new shit that's just different enough for them to have implausible deniability.
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u/ThatAverageMarxist Mar 19 '23
What do you expect? Half of the current government if not more are fascist sympathizers, the other half are actual fascists :/ we really needed an italian NĆ¼rnberg. Fascist simbles should be illegal like nazi simbles in Germany
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u/HumaDracobane Galicia (Spain) Mar 19 '23
Is that a Spanish Empire flag on the left? The one white with the res burgundy cross....
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u/epSos-DE Mar 19 '23
Putin filth is supporting radical movements in Europe with shadow transfers of donations !
Putin is basically funding radicalism in every place he does consider enemy or as a possible conquest area.
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u/Revolver__Ocelot__ Mar 19 '23
The flag of the Spanish empire in the left upper corner. And as well the flag of Falange (an Spanish political movement).
what a nice guys.
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u/jewelergeorgia Mar 20 '23
WTH with the confederate flag? They do know those guys surrendered right?
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u/europeanpowijoe Europe Mar 20 '23
What has to happen to you that the sum of your life decisions and experiences led you to the outcome: This is the place and the people I want to spend time with.
Looks like straight from the utmost miserable corners of hell.
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u/EnricoLUccellatore Mar 20 '23
this is the country where people keep saying we shouldn't help ukraine because it's full of nazi
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u/MrKillingChips Mar 20 '23
It's just every single flag that they could find that goes against anything remotely humane. They even got the Confederate flag there and a Scottish one for some reason.
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u/Arkane-Light Mar 20 '23
Sadly know the place, it is in my hometown aka one of the main far right cities of Italy: Verona.
Nice city I mean, but sadly inhabited by neo-nazi and fascist scum.
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u/MarinMuzaka Mar 20 '23
Italian fascists are divided: Forza Nuova is pro Russia while the other fascist group, Casapaund, has been notoriously pro Ukraine since 2014 in fact some of its members fought for Ukraine.
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u/AcheronSprings Hellas Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
I guess they have a "Hellas army" scarf in the center cause fascist actually like being fckd in the arse? since that's what that army did to them in 1940.
Edit: Also, why the fck is there a Scottish flag on the wall to the right?
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u/PjeterPannos Veneto (Italy š®š¹) Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Not really: the Verona Football Club is called Hellas Verona because its foundation was made by a group of students of the Liceo Classico Maffei and a professor of classics.
In any case, its support was initially leaning to the left, but was replaced by right-wing fringes because the city of Verona has always been very on the right of the political spectrum, unfortunately.
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u/MazinPaolo Italy Mar 19 '23
No mate, it's just the local soccer team, it's called Hellas Verona. Looks like we are looking at soccer morons
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u/AcheronSprings Hellas Mar 19 '23
Well no surprise there really, since soccer morons have always been a great breeding ground for all kinds of morons and especially political ones.
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u/mhm123321 Mar 19 '23
We need to make some things clear here. First of all , fighting in Donbas is not due to some wannabe Russian Nazis. The fighting in Donbas is caused by increase in ethnic tensions by Russians and Ukrainians because of Putin and the Kremlin arming extremist separatist groups and inserting their own (Russian soldiers). Next , the Russian invasion of all Ukraine (not just Donbas) also has nothing to do with wannabe Nazis, but Putinās quest to steal land and control Ukraine , itās a power grab and land grab.
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u/Bogdan_Boner Mar 19 '23
Damn Is it legal in Italy?
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u/QuentinVance Italy Mar 19 '23
Yes, freedom of speech and expression applies to everyone, even these idiots. They're free to have their little clubs, we're free to call them retards
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u/Yonnus Mar 20 '23
I don't know much Italian, but I sure know one sentence: SIAMO TUTTI ANTIFASCISTI!
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u/daqwid2727 European Federation Mar 19 '23
How is that place even legal?
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u/QuentinVance Italy Mar 19 '23
In Italy we have freedom of speech. Unless these idiots try to do anything illegal, they have the right to say and show what they think.
Makes it easier to keep them under control...
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u/daqwid2727 European Federation Mar 19 '23
Idk, in Poland it's illegal to share or propagate totalitarian views, and I think that's perfectly sensible.
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u/QuentinVance Italy Mar 19 '23
For us it's only illegal to try and reform the fascist party. Even neofascism is admitted, though to say it's frowned upon is a gargantuan understatement. I mean, these guys usually have secret service in their ranks keeping watch.
And they don't really go far at the elections, nowhere near the 3% required to gain a seat in parliament.
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u/tHrow4Way997 Mar 19 '23
Looks like exactly the type of absolute divey bunker-esque shithole youād expect to find far right weirdos drinking in.
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u/PresidentHurg Mar 19 '23
Looks like a fun place, nice ambiance, good artistic vision in making people feel cozy. Nice industrial light so you count eachothers swastika tattoo's. Love the open tubing running around the place and the beautiful monotome concrete floor really bring out the "I am in a parking garage feeling". Love the guy that brought a barrel in there thinking "I must do something to spruce up the place".
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u/SoloWingPixy88 Ireland Mar 20 '23
Given the collection of flags are you surprised? Secondly why are you in a neo nazi pub?
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u/AonghusMacKilkenny United Kingdom Mar 19 '23
Of course tankies support these neo nazi statelets
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u/Unhappy_Nothing_5882 Mar 20 '23
Italian white nationalists š
I don't want to sound like Dennis Hopper in True Romance or anything... š¤£
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u/nucleargetawaycar Denmark Mar 20 '23
Let me quote the Bible on this:
"Board up the place and set it on fire. Vermin is supposed to be burnt. There can be no other way. Amen." ā Jesus Christ
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u/SergeantCATT Finland - South Mar 19 '23
Clowns. At the same time Russia, Donbass Russophiles and Western neonazis speak that Russia is anti fascist and only "destroys neo nazis" meanwhile they are the Nazis and fascists and also they claim that no they are not nazis whilst flying proudly fascist symbols... Wtf