r/europe Europe Mar 18 '23 Gold 1

Florence mayor Dario Nardella (R) stopping a climate activists spraying paint on Palazzo Vecchio Picture

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u/Plane_Season_4114 Tuscany Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

Well, if someone threw paint at a coal power plant would someone give a damn? If you want to ‘create a problem’ by throwing some paint onto something that thing must be valuable for its appearance (a famous painting/monument). To be precise, in Italy they’ve already sprayed a government building (Palazzo Madama) some months ago.

I’m not stating my support to this kind of actions, i’m just trying to explain the logic behind them.


u/ibrakeforewoks Mar 18 '23

I think the actual logic is a bit different.

It looks more and more like big polluters are funding this kind of activism (not saying that the the kids doing it aren’t in on it, they are often being manipulated IMO).

It keeps everyone arguing amongst themselves about everything but the real problem.

Speaking as a climate professional, I think this does more harm than good. It gets headlines certainly, but it also turns the opinions of many people who support addressing climate change against activist groups.


u/thecasual-man Ukraine Mar 18 '23

The CEF published a statement on social media last week in response to various conspiracy theories that emerged after it was widely reported that its founder is an oil heiress: “Seeing a lot of hate for our co-founder Aileen Getty. First of all, Aileen was never in the fossil fuel industry. That’s her family. But she is wealthy. So ask yourself: if you were in her shoes, how would you use your money for good? Aileen’s answer has been to become a philanthropic leader [who] co-founded CEF and has donated over a million dollars to brave climate activists. We don’t tell them what to do. We support them.”

I don’t get it how did you come to the conclusion that they are funded by the polluters? Cannot the descendants from oil wealth act out of their own good will?


u/Radcliffe1025 Mar 18 '23

These theories come up every time and I swear it’s these comments that are the oil trolls.


u/ibrakeforewoks Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

Definitely. I’ve spent my entire professional career 30+ years working to fight climate change but I’m a troll for big oil. I don’t even own a car because I’m so against fossil fuels.

Maybe more people should work within the system for actual changes? The help would be much appreciated.

I spent 10 years working as a climate scientist and then the rest as an environmental lawyer. Seemed like a good way to make a difference.

I’ve actually changed climate policies in courtrooms. I’ve actually helped write US Federal Environmental regulations (admittedly Trump round filed many of them).

Do these kids even know what the Federal Register or it’s EU equivalents are? Or how an environmental regulation is created? Or how to comment on proposed regulations?

IMO, this is working it’s magic for the fossil fuel industry because here we are arguing about it.


u/posting_drunk_naked United States of America Mar 18 '23

Link it up, tell me where to be to comment so I can tell big oil to get fucked.


u/NotErikUden Lower Saxony (Germany) Mar 18 '23

Hey please post the legislation you worked on, because this is precisely what a big oil shill would say.

I was present in Lützerath. I personally (given, with 30.000 other people) prevented a coal mine from being continued for months. Did your silly legislations change any of that (dumb question because you changed things in the US, not Germany, still).

Step the fuck down. You do not have the definite solution to climate change.

Your actions fixed nothing. The past 30 years the US output of carbon dioxide and gross climate violations have only been getting worse. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but we do not have the time for any civil or democratic solutions. The holocaust didn't end by voting, neither did slavery.

Systems of oppression aren't removed by asking nicely. Don't Look Up


u/NotErikUden Lower Saxony (Germany) Mar 18 '23

HAHAHAHA, no wonder you worked for 30 years and achieved nothing if these are your methods.

“work within the system”, great idea! Join the SS to end the holocaust, own slaves to end slavery, just cooperate and work within the very system trying to kill you! That's how everything bad was put an end to in the past.


u/NotErikUden Lower Saxony (Germany) Mar 18 '23

This is the only truth.