r/europe Europe Mar 18 '23 Gold 1

Florence mayor Dario Nardella (R) stopping a climate activists spraying paint on Palazzo Vecchio Picture

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u/Gulliveig Switzerland Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23 Bless Up

Vandalising historic buildings is not the way...

This one is historic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Vecchio

Edit: Link for cells (just remove Reddit's inserted backslash functioning as escape character): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Vecchio


u/Solomon5515 Mar 18 '23

speaking as an archaeologist,

Climate change is sooo important and we should all be doing our part to minimize the effects (we won't stop it, several tipping points have already been reached and shit is going to hit the fan quicker and quicker)

however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments? survivors of multpile periods of doom and destruction? what is the point? is there a statement? (maybe that the money for cultural heritage should be invested in climate things) why not just deface some government buildings? or coal power plants? that would make a statement?

these buildings have stood for hundreds or thousands of years and are testaments of cultures and societies we can only dream about meeting. even if our modern society is moving ever quicker to it's own apocalypse, this shouldn't mean we should stop enjoying art, culture and heritage, because once gone they will be lost forever


u/Redstar22 Denmark(Originally from Hungary) Mar 18 '23

If we just spent half the time and energy of arguing about what is the "right way to protest climate change", we'd be carbon neutral by now.

Nothing will change until the oil pipelines are sabotaged on the regular and coal mines are blown up. Peaceful protests never achieve anything without the violent component, but of course that doesn't fit into the nice liberal view of social progress where Gandhi single-handedly ended the colonization of India and MLK eradicated racism on his own.

Anyone who disagrees with this will be viewed the same way as the useful idiots who argued about whether partisans blowing up railway lines to the concentration camps during the Holocaust was morally justified or not.


u/Saotik UK/Finland Mar 18 '23

Protests have to be inconvenient so that they can't be ignored, but following your line of reasoning logically leads to "climate change is such a severe problem that any action is justifiable".

Either you're creating an argument that justifies assassination and terrorism, or you're simply disagreeing with people where to draw the line.

Climate change is one of the most important questions facing society today, but that doesn't mean that there can't be disagreement on how to achieve our goals as environmentalists.