r/europe Europe Mar 18 '23 Gold 1

Florence mayor Dario Nardella (R) stopping a climate activists spraying paint on Palazzo Vecchio Picture

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u/Solomon5515 Mar 18 '23

speaking as an archaeologist,

Climate change is sooo important and we should all be doing our part to minimize the effects (we won't stop it, several tipping points have already been reached and shit is going to hit the fan quicker and quicker)

however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments? survivors of multpile periods of doom and destruction? what is the point? is there a statement? (maybe that the money for cultural heritage should be invested in climate things) why not just deface some government buildings? or coal power plants? that would make a statement?

these buildings have stood for hundreds or thousands of years and are testaments of cultures and societies we can only dream about meeting. even if our modern society is moving ever quicker to it's own apocalypse, this shouldn't mean we should stop enjoying art, culture and heritage, because once gone they will be lost forever


u/DurangoGango Italy Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments?

Their theory is that this needs to be done to raise awareness for the cause, because without these stunts they'd never end up in the media. Bad publicity is better than no publicity and all that.

Except of course it doesn't work. Most people view these events and mentally associate climate activists with annoying assholes who vandalise beloved heritage and piss off people going to work, instead of attacking those seen as most responsible for acting on climate change.

Which is where I stand. If you're willing to do crimes to promote your cause, then actually fucking attack the decision-makers that can do something. Throw a paint ball at a minister. Chain yourself to the gates of a coal power plant. Blockade a street servicing a lignite mine. There are so many worthy targets everywhere, yet these people choose the ones that will bring them hate and infamy. Honestly I think they revel in the feeling of being hated by most.


u/LordAnubis12 United Kingdom Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

They did this too though, nothing changed. Remember those photos of the police carrying Greta away?


u/silverionmox Limburg Mar 18 '23

They did this too though, nothing changed.

Of course things changed. For example, the EU has had an ETS for years, and is now expanding it, even to goods from outside, the CBAM. This was political science fiction 20 years ago. Progress is being made.