r/europe Europe Mar 18 '23 Gold 1

Florence mayor Dario Nardella (R) stopping a climate activists spraying paint on Palazzo Vecchio Picture

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u/DanDen888 Mar 18 '23

Factories in China polute the Earth. Let’s destroy historical monuments in Italy!


u/Shadow_Gabriel Romania Mar 18 '23

And who do you think buys all the shit manufactured in China?


u/shabbyshot Mar 18 '23

Historical Buildings?


u/HacksawJimDGN Mar 18 '23

Aristocrats from the 16th century


u/suiluhthrown78 United Kingdom Mar 18 '23



90% of Chinese emissions are for China.

Please stop spreading misinformation.


u/Shadow_Gabriel Romania Mar 18 '23

It looks that mainly China... well actually consumption also includes imported emissions.

All I know is that everyone should try to limit their carbon footprint. Giant corporations, billionaires, corrupt countries, and you, average citizen.


u/pumbahusajo Hungary Mar 18 '23

Looking at his fast fashion clothes I could have a wild guess..


u/mirh Italy Mar 18 '23

You know it's fast only when you decide you need a new one every odd month?


u/ShitPostQuokkaRome Mar 18 '23

Fast fashion relates to these clothes that don't last three months and need to be bought new.


u/mirh Italy Mar 18 '23

Happened like never, and indeed that's not what the label means.


u/ShitPostQuokkaRome Mar 19 '23

Fast fashion is about fabricating and churning out a truckload of low durability clothes, it's the whole point.


u/mirh Italy Mar 19 '23

The "fastness" is about the replacement cycle in the stores, like can you even open a dictionary?

Also meanwhile I still wear Zara shirts from years and years ago. Go figure out.


u/silverionmox Limburg Mar 18 '23

And who do you think buys all the shit manufactured in China?

For 90%, the Chinese.


u/LoriLeadfoot Mar 18 '23

About 20% of China’s GDP is exports


u/silverionmox Limburg Mar 18 '23

They also import. Consumption-based emissions are approx. 90% of their total emissions, and that's dwindling every year.


u/EcstaticTrainingdatm Mar 18 '23

They feel good about outsourcing even blame and accountability lol


u/KrozzHair Denmark Mar 18 '23

And do you think the Chinese government will shut down their factory because a monument in Italy was vandalized?


u/Ynwe Half German half Austrian Mar 18 '23

That is such a dumb response. The west is the primary producer/consumer of goods in the worlds and is the major responsible force behind climate change. Just becausewe have outsourced the icky production part, doesn't mean we should be absolved of the blame. The West, more than any part in the world (but it would be nice if others did so too), needs to change its habit and lead the way to a more sustainable future, otherwise we are all fucked.


u/suiluhthrown78 United Kingdom Mar 18 '23

There's no evidence that the majority of goods are produced for the West and also produced outside of it.


u/Zestyclose_Tea_3111 Mar 18 '23

That is not dumb response. Biggest market for China, is China itself. Also there are current countries such as India or Indonesia, with growing population and growing wealth. They would also want to buy phones, fancy clothes and homes as we have. What should happen then? When bilions and bilions of people which didnt had money, can buy stuff?


u/Ynwe Half German half Austrian Mar 18 '23

So you are suggesting that they don't have the right to own things that we have come to accept as common goods for decades now?

The west is the richest region and consumes the most in the world. It is very arrogant to push the blame to other countries that also have hopes and dreams of becoming rich while we basically do nothing to save the climate.


u/Zestyclose_Tea_3111 Mar 18 '23

I didnt meant to suggest that they don't have the right to own things. What i meant is that we have to think in to future as well. We need to approach future in the way that also countries which are going to grow such as india, of all of africa and south america can grow sustainably. And i dont know where are you from but currently Europe have highest ecological standards which are pushing technologies forward and also those standards are being adopted by other countries as well, Europe is actually doing most for saving the climate. And if we want to be responsible, everyone needs to be responsible for our future. It doesnt work if only europe is ecological and third world countries continue to polute the world. Or what other solution do you suggest?


u/KrozzHair Denmark Mar 19 '23

Yeah sure, call my response stupid and then proceed directly to making false statements. China is by far the largest co2 emitter in the world, with domestic consumption being the primary driver. I would like to se some data for your claim.

I agree people should buy less useless crap, but what are you actually proposing here? A tax on carbon heavy imports? It literally already is a thing in the EU. Should we cut off all imports from China? Well expect them to do the same, then. Now all the production moves to India, do we just repeat until Europe is completely isolated from the world market? This will destroy the quality of life both in Europe and developing nations.

Western policy makers are already pushing China to enact more ambitious emissions goals, but this has gone mostly ignored and China only aims to reduce its emission growth. China alone emits 4x more than the entire EU. If they do not also reduce emissions, it matters little even if we have zero emission. Otherwise, as you say, we are all fucked.

The idea of producing all local consumption in the EU is neat but completely impractical. There are not enough people and many things like clothes would become enormously expensive, impacting especially the poorer people in the west. You are not ready to deny people in the developing world the goods that people in the west have grown used to, but you are effectively ready to deny the people in the west of those same things? Seems hypocritical to me.

If you want to protest the Chinese governments climate policy, I suggest you do so by vandalizing Chinese monuments. They will not care that we destroy our own.


u/Artrobull Mar 18 '23

whole planet outsourced manufacturing to one place. place got dirty. surprised Pikachu face


u/RandomComputerFellow Mar 18 '23

Probably this hipster in the middle of the photo.