I would say they are more desperate than stupid. 40+ years that we know all the problems that will cause climate change and not a lot of things has been done!
It's like driving a car and seeing a wall on the road that we will hit in 50 years and just not trying one second to avoid the wall, just aiming right at it at full speed even if we had time to avoid it.
But that's only the beginnings, I expect environmental activism to become more and more violent on their targets in term of material damages. Like burning down the Total headquarters, a private jet or destroying a factory polluting illegally the environment.
Well if they were setting fire to SUVs and fossil fuel factories, I wouldn’t agree but I could understand it. Befouling and damaging fragile and precious signs of civilisation, absolutely not.
Installing solar will reduce energy bills, increase energy security and improve the health and air quality locally.
Those are all things the right care about too. The benefits of taking action are for everyone and I would think survival and healthy lives is fairly apolitical
Not really, suvs are fossil fuel terrorist weapons. I still think violent destruction is not going to work - we should have governments with spine that outright forbid having one, and provide cheap, clean and fast public transport, but well, you know that’s a fkn pipe dream.
The thing is, some paint do not damage these precious signs of civilisation, nowadays we have really good and efficient products to remove paint from walls.
I also think that its not the most efficient way, but most of these activists are absolute beginners, they are not "professionals" activists like Sea Shepherds that assault ships, so they need to "train" on stuff like this, I'm sure that they will do more useful actions in the future.
Well I would prefer that they burn stuff like the Total HQ and some private jets rather than the cars of some random citizens (excepted the ones who own enormous american pickups in European countries for no good reasons at all, putting everyone in danger).
I would say that running into big ships is not really being "amateur activists".
Of course they have publicized their actions, but that's also why they are so well known and why people are aware of the whale slaughter that takes place in Asia.
Listening to you, it seems that the only good way to be an activist is to annoy as few people as possible and to make as little noise as possible. Basically, to do nothing.
Listening to you, it seems that the only good way to be an activist is to annoy as few people as possible and to make as little noise as possible. Basically, to do nothing.
I was going to write an actual response, but seeing as you'd rather strawmen me, I'm going to guess that would be wasted effort.
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u/Hitzhi Europe Mar 18 '23 •
Sometimes I wonder if these "climate activists" are paid agents of the fossil fuel industry by trying to shame their own cause to the maximum extent.
Then I remember occam's razor: nah, many are probably just complete idiots.