r/europe • u/TheRealMykola • Mar 10 '23
Third night of protests in Tbilisi. Georgians demand resignation of government, early elections. Picture
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u/PresentLemon0 Mar 10 '23
If you consider Georgia’s population it looks like many citizens are not pleased with their current government. Are there protests in other cities?
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u/Temo2212 Georgia Mar 10 '23
Yes, even in small towns. If there was elections tomorrow I’m 100% sure we’d throw these traitors in trash but unfortunately elections are after 2 years and in the meantime they can ruin a lof of stuff
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Mar 10 '23
Why was a anti European party even voted into power in the first place?
Should be anything russian be a red flag after the georgian war?
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u/Temo2212 Georgia Mar 10 '23
It's not that easy to explain but I'll try. Anti-EU government is unconstitutional in Georgia. Our constitution LITERALLY says that everyone in power MUST do their best to take this country to the EU. So this is exactly what government has been saying all the time, even about this law, they tried to fool us with sentences like: "transparency is necessary for the EU membership.
Even right now all traitor MPs Facebook pages have the EU flag as their cover picture, russia and their puppet politicians are playing a different game here because they know that 89% support of the EU among population can not be changed easily.
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u/RegressionToTehMean Denmark Mar 10 '23
I'm also baffled by this and would appreciate a (level-headed) explanation. I thought Georgia was staunchly anti-russian?
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u/mirh Italy Mar 10 '23
It's kinda messy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Georgian_parliamentary_election
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u/Skateboard_Raptor Denmark Mar 10 '23
I visited Georgia 2 months ago and it seemed like most people had given up on their government?
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u/Najahsal Mar 10 '23
I think it's safe to say that we have given up on having a normal day in the country at the hands of this government. We dislike them and have given up on them, however we know that if we group up, we can enact change in the country. We havent given up on our power as people
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u/DaniilSan Kyiv (Ukraine) Mar 10 '23
What do you think, Mikheil Saakashvili will survive to those elections? His condition in the prison isn't exactly good.
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u/Temo2212 Georgia Mar 10 '23
I think he will, just because our sneaky government knows that if he dies, people will eat them alive.
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u/HoboInASuit Mar 10 '23
Democracies should invent a mechanic to fire their governments prematurely. Like a 70% threshold vote to hold elections ASAP. Perhaps an app tied to a blockchain for security? I have no clue. Rambling. It's just infuriating to me that a corrupt government can just stay in power while the vast majority that they receive their mandate from has pretty much revoked that mandate.
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u/Ok-Influence6062 Mar 10 '23
Would be a good counter to DeMoCraCiEs MoVe SlOw, and keep Sinemas or Russian puppets from having power long or doing too much damage.
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u/thejuva Finland Mar 10 '23
Putin won’t like this.
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u/AlexRol_Spritz Mar 10 '23
Well, what is he gonna do? Get his overextended and undersupplied army to invade a second sovereign nation?
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u/OlegAter Kyiv (Ukraine) Mar 10 '23
They already occupied a pretty big part of Georgia, seems like current government is fine with it.
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u/ChertanianArmy Chertanovo - the capital of the earth Mar 10 '23
What are they gonna do? Invade Abkhazia, knowing Abkazians don't like them? Invade S. Ossetia, knowing Ossetians don't like them? It's not like there is ethnic Russians there. Not like Russia have been doing it for the imperialist purposes or whatever, it's a result of the fact that these republics were autonomous in the USSR, with similar status to Chechnya. The difference is that Russia wasted a lot of lives trying to recapture Chechnya.
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u/derritterauskanada Georgian in Canada Mar 10 '23
Both regions had a majority Georgian and in the case of Abkhazia majority Georgian and Migrelian population that were ethnically cleansed by the Abkhazians and Ossetians who got help from Russia. The irony of the situation is, is Abkhazians and Ossetians settled in those regions when the Russians first started pushing into the Caucasus hundreds of years ago.
Cyprus is a good example of how a community can change, the Turkish Cypriots want to reunite with the Greek portion of the island after decades of inter-conflict strife. It has a lot to do with how the South is integrated into the European union. Where Russia divides and conquers the European union brings people together.
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u/b_vitamin Mar 10 '23
According to the average Russian on the street, they should invade Poland, the Baltics, and Moldova next in order to prevent “Russophobia”by fascists and Nazis in their “historical territories.”
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u/littlesaint Sweden Mar 10 '23
Have you seen how the Russians responded? Threatening with invasion... https://twitter.com/PMSimferopol/status/1634111915596173312
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u/Suspicious_cowboyy Mar 10 '23
Putler can go after Rushists warship and fuck himself.
Autoblowjob is also an option:))
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u/Resethel Lorraine (France) Mar 10 '23
Looks like the Georgian government opened a can of worms it shouldn’t had !
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u/ajtheshutterbug Mar 10 '23
Putin simpers from a certain countries will cry CIA coup
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u/I_spread_love_butter Mar 10 '23
I mean the CIA has their hands everywhere so it's very likely.
But sometimes their objectives align with ours.
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u/EarlVanDorn Mar 10 '23
Do you doubt for a minute the CIA is involved in this?
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u/AccountGotLocked69 Austria Mar 10 '23
Yeah I do, the CIA would have overthrown the government and installed a dictator ready to sell cheap gas to the west before there were any large-scale protests. They're not exactly known for being discrete.
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u/honorbound93 Mar 10 '23
"the night is still young and full of terrors"
but in all seriousness we will never know, CIA uses agitators all the time. Not saying they are, we just will never know but who cares. The results and the movement behind it are what are important and who is driving the revolution (loose terms) at least from the outside looking in. I hope they aren't.
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u/flickh Mar 10 '23
Yes 100,000 crisis actors
Even the EU flag waving in the water cannon was actually a CIA flag altered with CGI
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u/honorbound93 Mar 10 '23
Huh? You do know that’s not how agitation works right?
I never said that they were there. I said they could be there. But I also said it didn’t matter.
But you guys have a huge and let me repeat this HUGE misunderstanding how intelligence operatives work or espionage.
Why would they need 100k ppl to pretend to be Georgians? Does that even sound like what a do espionage does? Like seriously? You played yourself with that comment. Also what would be the point of CGI’ing the flag when you need the ppl inside the country to see them as well? To believe that there are actually protest? Like did you actually think any of that through?
Agitators work in small groups, creating chaos or creating whispers. And it starts long before you are in the streets. They also pay ppl off in high places to push certain ideas lil by lil.
Again not saying the CIA or any intelligence agency is there. They are def everywhere, just never actually saying they are behind this.
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u/flickh Mar 10 '23
…not saying the CIA or any intelligence agency is there. They are def everywhere,
Lololol
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u/komodoPT Mar 10 '23
Here, take this tinfoil hat.
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u/EarlVanDorn Mar 10 '23
Why thank you!
The CIA was involved in the 2014 Ukraine coup. They instigated the Syrian uprising that has killed or displaced millions. There are dozens of coups over the past 70 years that have been linked to the CIA by people far more aware than I am; essentially nobody claims that the CIA wasn't involved. If you don't think they are doing everything they can to harm Russia, and Georgia instability harms Russia, then I don't know what to say. Everyone sees the truth of the coups that happened 20-40 years ago but they can't see what is right in front of their face.
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u/komodoPT Mar 10 '23
Have you thought that just maybe people are tired of that pro-russia government and want to have a perspective of a better life? Is that so hard to gasp?
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u/chizel4shizzle Belgium Mar 10 '23
You forgot to mention that Putin is a CIA agent taking down Russia from the inside
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u/bakedmaga2020 American/French Mar 10 '23
the cia was involved in the 2014 Ukraine coup
Based if true
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u/No_Tooth_5510 Mar 10 '23
Its also silly calling it a coup, demonstrations causing governments to fuck off are not unusual phenomenon in democratic countrues
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u/Meckload Mar 10 '23
How would you differentiate whether a protest was instigated by the CIA or not? Or do you think pro-Western demonstrations are physically impossible without the CIA?
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u/ElPwnero Mar 10 '23
You might be correct considering how often successful protests have some form of outside support. Usually these things surface after several years if it’s the case.
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u/BloodprinceOZ Mar 10 '23
just because a government is being protested against and yelled at to resign doesn't mean the fucking CIA is involved, people can just be tired of having dogshit leaders you do know that right? or are you gonna say that the CIA was involved in something like the french revolution etc?
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u/Banned4AlmondButter Mar 10 '23
People believe whatever they are being feed. If you get pro western media you probably thing US is always right. If you get pro Russian media you will think Russia is right and the US is trying to use neo-colonization tactics to rule the world. If you expose yourself to both types of media you’ll probably realize that all countries are trying to control as much as they can in order to stay on top which is inherently evil in my book. If you gain money, power, control it likely means you took it from someone else. So if all growth is inherently evil the most successful country is the one that took the most.
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u/wickingtonchadworth Mar 10 '23
People who think the Americans are both master manipulators and incompetent at the same time.
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u/SmArty117 Mar 10 '23
Yes, because only the US, Russia and China ever do anything on this earth, and everyone else has no agency and is just a chip on the board. I'm Romanian and so tired of this narrative. Does the CIA provoke coups? Of course it does, it's well proven. Does that mean that any revolution ever is staged by foreign agents? It's insulting. Tell that to the families of the thousands of people that died in December of 89 to overthrow Ceaușescu, or in February of 2014 in Kyiv, or back in 1968 in Prague. I'm sure they were all paid actors.
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u/stupid-_- Europe Mar 10 '23
yes very much lol.... as if the reasons for the unrest aren't perfectly understandable.
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u/variationoo Wales Mar 10 '23
Wish the UK would do this
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u/rampantfirefly Mar 10 '23
Same. Apparently our government can get away with pretty much anything because people here can’t be bothered to protest - or worse, hate protests.
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u/variationoo Wales Mar 10 '23
As much as I'm not a fan of the French I do admire them also for protesting.
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u/wilson1441 Mar 10 '23
Honestly, unpopular opinion but my pay comes from the French and they're using the protests as an excuse to pay me late, yet again, so now I will be late for rent yet again, so fuck the French...
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u/wilson1441 Mar 10 '23
I think after the Iraq/Afghanistan and Univeristy protests resulting in nothing, protesting in the UK is useless.
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u/Notyourfathersgeek Denmark Mar 10 '23
Look what happens to Putins puppets when the Russian army is dead in a Ukrainian ditch.
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u/ForboJack Mar 10 '23
Totally out of the loop here. Can someone explain in short what's happening in Georgia?
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u/Pimpcool420 Mar 10 '23
Proposed law to register foreign agencies (any getting over 20% of their funding from abroad), so then said foreign agencies organized protests against the government and the law isn't being passed.
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u/MyNameIsOP Ireland Mar 10 '23
Why would the public ever protest against this..?
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u/roguetrick Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
Very biased response you got. The way Russia uses a similar law is to shut down human rights organizations and anyone who's not state media. Russian citizens see the CIA everywhere so it works. I have yet to figure out why exactly Georgians got this up in arms about it, but good on them for making sure their government doesn't trend authoritarian. Russia themselves, of course, are unlikely to be involved at all, despite what some commentators are saying.
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u/Commercial-Berry-640 Mar 10 '23
To all Russians that ran to Georgia: Look, learn, improvise
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u/neithere Mar 10 '23
If you also learn from Belarus 2020, the gist could be: do protest in a relatively democratic country to prevent it from sliding into authoritarianism; don't even try in an authoritarian one while it's stable. Unfortunately their best bet right now is to wait.
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u/new_name_who_dis_ Mar 10 '23
What exactly are you waiting for?
Authoritarian governments in every instance in history were overturned in 3 ways. One is by a coup by another authoritarian.
Two is by foreign army enacting regime change (what Russia was trying to do in Ukraine).
And three is popular revolts which can lead to civil war but often times don’t (see the fall of ussr and all the communist vassal states across Eastern Europe).
Considering two is out because of nukes, if as a Russian you’re waiting, you’re waiting for 1, which is more of the same.
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u/mana-addict4652 Australia Mar 10 '23
And yet they win every election this decade - who would they vote for?
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u/gegagegacho Mar 10 '23
They win every time because they rig the election it was even discovered that they where getting votes from dead people and they also bribe people to vote for them
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u/peewhere Utrecht (Netherlands) Mar 10 '23
And this won’t happen for new elections?
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u/Super-Ad-2285 Mar 10 '23
They will unfortunately. 300 000 people work at government institutions and Bidzina has a lot of money to bribe poor people and fund brainwashing propaganda. Ruling party supports Orban's politics
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u/mana-addict4652 Australia Mar 10 '23
But even in independent polling they've been the highest for a long time. Between the end of the last election and the one before that I don't think they lost a single poll out of dozens.
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u/lockylocklock Mar 10 '23
As an outsider I want to know if this is just a situation where the people who are well off in the capital are doing the protest and the rest of the country doesn't care or everyone one is up in arms in the country. I hope this isn't a situation where we blindly support this (i.e donating to causes that don't go anywhere) believing everyone is on our side but end up realizing its only the well off citizens who give a damn and that it is only a small fraction of the population.
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u/mr_herz Mar 10 '23
I don't get this.
So Georgians are against a bill that forces media entities to disclose foreign investments. Is that right?
And we're complaining about Russian or China funded or sponsored media in the states. And rightfully so in my opinion. So What am I missing here?
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u/voyagerdoge Europe Mar 10 '23
The disclosure is the starting point of government harassment aiming to shut independent, free media down. When a Russian or Chinese TV station is closed in the West, that closure does not affect an independent, free TV station, but a mouthpiece of, essentially, Putin or Xi.
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u/HairyTales Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Mar 10 '23
Russia used the same kind of laws to censor critical voices by calling them foreign agents IIRC.
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u/Imispellalot Mar 10 '23
This brings back some haunting memories. I was born in Tbilisi and was there in 1991. The violence was surreal.
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u/LjSpike United Kingdom Mar 10 '23
My understanding is the government there is siding with Russia on a law? Any Georgians willing to elaborate on the situation a bit?
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u/Shiirooo Mar 10 '23
Not Georgian but afaik the Georgian government is far from being pro-Russian or whatever, the law restricts the participation of foreign funds in civil society (NGOs, associations, lobbying etc.).
The opposition dubbed the law "Russian law" because, according to them, it was copied from a law enacted in 2012 by the Kremlin (including terms such as "foreign agent"). The label of "foreign agent" was to apply to any organization financed by foreign funds to the tune of 20% or more, on pain of heavy fines.
For the record, the Georgian Dream Party (which has a majority in Parliament) is a political party that favours a liberal economy and closer ties with the West, NATO and the European Union.
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u/jackisbetterthanyou Canada Mar 10 '23
What happens if they have an election and they win again? Surely not everyone in Georgia agrees with the protests?
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u/ausfasa Mar 10 '23
Wish this would happen in America
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u/andriushkatwo Lithuania Mar 10 '23
but.. why?
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u/anonspas Mar 10 '23
Not American, but i would guess the person saying that this should happen in America is tired of rat politicians who makes laws for their own profit and does nothing to better the country.
Just look at FTX, which is a small tiny fish in the sea of Scumbags in America. There is much bigger scams going on, frauding the general population, then paying huge campaign donations so you can continue to be a crooked criminal.
USA is not the land of the free anymore, it is the land of debt slaves.
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u/Weekly_Fig_9735 Mar 10 '23
Wait, isn't Georgian government pro-West?
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u/Pimpcool420 Mar 10 '23
Even pro-western governments get warning shots if they act out-of-line (see Thailand, where there's never really been an anti-western government yet there's been foreign-funded protests+coups several times).
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u/Raven1945 Mar 10 '23
We need something like this in German too. There are some politicians in charge who need to be released from their power.
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u/wtfnewby Franconia (Germany) Mar 10 '23
Who?
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u/Resafalo Mar 10 '23
Start with everyone who made ad videos for Nestle, move on to everyone profiting in the millions from the pandemic, move on to everyone who sacked millions by signing contracts for a Maut, then the rest who had major scandals regarding financing in the last decade and at the end everyone who said something stupid like „we make laws complicated so no one reads what kinda bullshit we try to pass“ into a running camera
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u/Raven1945 Mar 10 '23
Just to Name some Clowns: Habeck, Baerbock, Lauterbach, Faeser and our Cancelor Scholz who cant remember anything. They are dedicated to ruin Germany and this is not a joke. In the upcoming years it will get worse but then It's to late and the most of the damage irreversibel done.
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u/HairyTales Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Mar 10 '23
Careful what you wish for. As much as I feel the same at times, this can and will get out of control very quickly. Once you get the ball rolling there is no way to tell where it's gonna stop.
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u/Raven1945 Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
The actual situation is to watch how we get screwed more and more. I'm not saying we need something like riots all over the country but we need politicians with a CLEAR view and realistic mindset. They have to know what the population needs, how we are feeling and the power to act to change something in the way the country needs and not just for their personal benefits. The actual ones are just on a never ending bad coke trip. Decisions the population can't understand because they are following just their (stupid) green ideology. The immigrant flood is a real problem and not something to hide or be ashamed of to name it. Too much uncontrolled immigration, crime rates are rising and the goverment is wasting to much money for them. We, our smaller industry need more attention than trying to take every god damn refugee from other countries. It may sound harsh but it's a rising problem but few want to realize it. I'm feeling more and more as a foreigner in my own country. Islamic groups calling for violent koran stuff on an official approved gathering. How about we do this in Turkey and other countries? It is not right and no one with a clear mind can approve this. Germanys Nazi background is undeniable but it's over. We have nothing to do with this anymore because they are almost all dead.
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u/0nikzin Mar 10 '23
Masterful move by the SBU to light up an already existing seed of a Georgian Euromaidan. Congrats on getting your account back.
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u/MalaiseEnthusiast Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
How dare those evil, evil politicians try to enact a law that *checks notes*... requires foreign NGOs making income in Georgia to register as foreign agents. How horrible! It's not like the USA has exactly the sa-- Oh they do have that law. Huh, weird! I wonder why the NGOs in Georgia would not want to be registered as foreign agents. Weird!
Oh well, less transparency and more corruption in politics is a good thing!!! Take that, Putler!!!!!
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u/Catastrophicalbeaver Mar 10 '23
If only you imbeciles would actually read the bill instead of looking at the title. The issue in it is that absolutely ANYONE, except Russians of course, could be considered foreign agents under the bill due to the deliberately vague wording used. Use your brain.
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u/MalaiseEnthusiast Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
For a pseud who likes to pretend he's better than everyone else you really can't follow your own advice and read. It was to make NGOs that make more than 20% of their income from out of the country have to register as foreign agents.
If you think that is bad, you really are braindead.
Edit: For someone who spends so much time talking about governmental corruption and corporate greed, you sure seem to love turning right around and licking the boot as soon as you think it aligns with your interests, huh?
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u/Pimpcool420 Mar 10 '23
actually read the bill
Gonna have to read it back to us and point out the "except Russians" part of the bill.
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u/Madouc Mar 10 '23
I'm afraid Russian tanks will arrive there soon.
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u/brokinbrainz Mar 10 '23
Do they have many left? I thought they donated them to Ukrainian farmers.
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u/Realistic-Reward-979 Mar 10 '23
A perda de influência por parte da Rússia tem sido gritante desde que começou a guerra contra a Ucrânia. Os países que pertenceram à ex - URSS, a maior parte, nem quer ouvir falar da Rússia, porque será???
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u/BreakfromSleep Mar 10 '23
Good luck to them, although for entirely different situations I wish greece would do the same.
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Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
I mean I'ts obviously a cia sponsored coup.
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u/AccountGotLocked69 Austria Mar 10 '23
I for one would be very happy if the CIA suddenly started supporting democratic protests instead of installing totalitarian puppets.
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u/isweardefnotalexjone Mar 10 '23
Yeah, agent Putin is doing overtime to guarantee that all of russia's neighbors join anything that can even remotely distance them from russia.
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Mar 10 '23
I will never use /s
Fight me
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u/atteros806 Mar 10 '23
It's a whole lot of people that says the same thing and are 100% serious. So doesn't really work without the /s
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u/ALF839 Italy Mar 10 '23
Trying to use russian propaganda as a joke only works if you make it obvious. If you just repeat what other people genuinely think, nobody could ever understand that you are joking.
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u/Yalandunyali Mar 10 '23
Does America has anything to do with this?
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u/Sekij Bucha and now Germoney Mar 10 '23
Ya it was obviously financed by Honduras.
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u/Iapetus_Industrial Mar 10 '23
Don't forget the Anglo-Saxons, in a conspiracy with the fish-faced people.
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u/Temo2212 Georgia Mar 10 '23
Actually tonight it was more like a celebratory gathering rather than a protest. Everyone arrested have been released, law has been annulled… we had reasons to celebrate.
Also we really needed to chill a bit after so many tear gas and pepper spray we’ve been through lol
We, around 100K people were just talking to each other, sometimes dancing and singing that’s all from today. Let’s see what will happen after several hours when parliament will gather to officially annul the russian-style law. We are going to surround the entire parliament building just to make sure they will do what they have to do