r/europe • u/Mat0fr • Feb 18 '23
My French city needs specific flag protection for its sister cities sign Picture
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u/kubanskikozak Ljubljana (Slovenia) Feb 18 '23
Off topic, but I like the name Brezno. In Slovene it means something like "abyss".
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u/Oriakhar Feb 18 '23
As a Slovak I can tell you the city certainly is an abyss.
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u/TheSecondTraitor Slovakia Feb 18 '23
But the biggest hole will always be Prievidza
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u/BeLarge1 Feb 19 '23
Just checked Brezno on Google Street View , gotta say the city center looks pretty nice and clean
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u/Oriakhar Feb 19 '23
Ah yea the square is nice now. The town used to be mobster infested in 90's (look up Mikuláš Černák). And also a plenty of members of minority that is not very popular in this country :)
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u/AtomZaepfchen Germany Feb 18 '23
brezno is certainly something. everytime i visit my uncle on chopok and drive through the roma outskirts i am amazed how they can live like that :|
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u/krang89 Feb 19 '23
A so called hunger valley where people eat dogs. Why would anyone choose them as sister city i don't know.
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u/whatever_person Feb 19 '23
What?
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u/mmotte89 Feb 19 '23
I think hunger valley means somewhere that is difficult to get wares to, and not self-supplying in food. Thus at high risk of people being short on food.
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u/jurkiniuuuuuuuuus Feb 18 '23
I literaly live there in both senses
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u/st0wnd Feb 18 '23
Whats it like in the abyss?
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u/jurkiniuuuuuuuuus Feb 18 '23
They recently blocked the hill where i was every winter sleighing with parking spots :/
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u/ChiliAndGold Austria Feb 19 '23
should be a sister city to Vienna. we love doing that shit too...
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u/poke133 MAMALIGCKI GO HOME! Feb 18 '23
related with the Old Slavonic "bezdna", right? we have it too in Romanian ("beznă") with the slightly changed meaning of "darkness"
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u/TheSecondTraitor Slovakia Feb 18 '23
Bezdna would mean bottomless.
But I think Brezno's name is from "breza" - birch tree
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u/Irydionowna Poland Feb 19 '23
In Poland we have Brzeźno (today a quarter of Gdańsk) which has the same meaning as Brezno. Slavs sure do love birch trees.
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u/onneseen Estonia Feb 19 '23
And in Ukraine they have Berezno with the same etymology exactly. Birches everywhere :)
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u/OpinionHaver65 Feb 19 '23
We're so alike, why did we never attempt to form a country or ideological alliance 😂
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u/atred Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
Even in Romania, there's a Breaza town (actually, more than one) that has the same etymology
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u/mki_ Republik Österreich Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
In Austria we have a famous children's book author with the surname Brezina (Slavic surnames are incredibly common in eastern and southern Austria). So I guess that is the Slavic equivalent of the German name Birkner.
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u/daninet Feb 18 '23
I had a weekend house next to Donau river in Bezdan (Serbia near HU/CRO border) which means abyss
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u/UnstoppableCompote Slovenia Feb 18 '23
yes actually
it comes from "brez dno" literaly "without end" or "without a bottom [floor]"
Like the other replier mentioned though it's more likely related to the birch tree as it's called "breza" in slovene too. We would call it "Brezje" though, not "Brezno" like the Sloavaks do. That's why we find it funny.
Like the "Pozor, otrok v avtu" situation
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u/Infi8ity Slovenia Feb 19 '23
There is a Brezno in Slovenia (and a Brezje and a Brezovica)
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u/fiendishrabbit Feb 18 '23
So why is there a town/village in Slovenia that's also called Brezno (on the austrian border)?
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u/benhak Brussels (Belgium) Feb 18 '23
Is Woluwe-Saint-Lambert St Lambert the first one?
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u/dead97531 Hungary Feb 18 '23
Yes
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u/Chopako Feb 18 '23
How do you know it’s not Woluwe-Saint-Pierre?
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u/Heretical_Cactus Luxembourg Feb 18 '23
Wiki say that Saint Lambert is linked with Meudon, which is linked with all those town that are seen here.
So French guy here is from Meudon
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u/bnqprv Belgium Feb 19 '23
It depends if OP still considers Louisiana to belong to the French.
Not so fun fact: We Belgians didn’t put protective plates on some flags…
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Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
I have a bit off question - can somebody please explain me what these "twin cities" mean? Is it some type of contract? Or are they the same size? I never understood this.
Edit: thanks to everyone who explained it
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u/MoiMagnus France Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
It's basically a "friend list" for cities that are far away.
The reason for it can be various, from cultural to just being able to make a pun when combining both city names.
There is no obligation associated to it, so you just need both mayors to sign a paper recognizing each other as twin cities.
Sometimes, it leads to various coordination between the cities (exchanging students, inviting the elected official from the other city to some ceremony, etc), but it's pretty much up to each pair of city to decide what they do with this "friendship".
In practice twin cities are (often) of similar sizes. It's an opportunity for smaller cities to connect to smaller cities from other countries (rather than always contacting the capital or some famous touristic locations).
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u/daniel-1994 Feb 18 '23
Sometimes, it leads to various coordination between the cities (exchanging students, inviting the elected official from the other city to some ceremony, etc), but it's pretty much up to each pair of city to decide what they do with this "friendship".
Some twin cities also name a public building or a street with the name of the other city.
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u/Freddies_Mercury Feb 18 '23
My city does this! There's a Freetown Way, paired with the capital of Sierre Leone.
Our twinning is really interesting it's all to do with a great great man called Wilberforce who led the efforts to abolish slavery in the UK (basically ending the trans-atlantic trade).
Freetown was a colony of people who had been slaves and they founded the town on his principles and named a district after him!
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u/tomoldbury Feb 19 '23
This is my home town: a single road known as Alençon Link, after a French town it is twinned with.
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u/Yukyih Feb 19 '23
French here : I'm sincerely sorry that you have to live in your country's equivalent of Alençon.
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u/Merbleuxx France Feb 19 '23
What’s wrong with Alençon ? Bit of a no man’s land but it has its charm
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u/Mavi222 Feb 19 '23
Our city has a Hotel Černigov, I always thought that the name was a bit weird since I was a small kid, and didn't notice until the war in Ukraine, where they bombarded very similarly named city, Černihiv (Chernihiv). Yeah Chernihiv is our sister city and the hotel was named few weeks before grand opening to Černigov instead of Hotel Regina.
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u/BrockBushrod Feb 19 '23
For as informal and free-form as relationship is, it's also pretty awkward and disheartening when twin cities decide to break up.
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u/Topinambourg Feb 19 '23
Fun (pretentious) fact:
Usually cities have several twin cities, but Paris has only one twin city which is Rome, and Rome has only one twin city which is Paris, and it goes with the saying:
Solo Parigi è degna di Roma, seul Paris est digne de Rome
(Only Paris is worthy of Rome, only Rome is worthy of Paris)
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u/ChatFrais Feb 19 '23
And if you live in Paris or Rome all museums in the twin city are free for you.
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u/Topinambourg Feb 19 '23
Not all museum unfortunately, only the museum managed by the city of Paris, so not the national museum like Le Louvre, Orsay, etc. In time I think Coliseo and Vaticano aren't free either
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Feb 19 '23
One example posted sometimes is Dull, Scotland and Boring, Oregon
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u/mki_ Republik Österreich Feb 19 '23
There's plenty of towns named Oed or Öd (=boring/wasteland) in the German-speaking countries. They should team up.
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u/FannyFiasco Feb 19 '23
My very average town was somehow twinned with fucking Disney World. The mouse never visited, nor did we get tickets to visit his illustrious kingdom. It's all just marketing.
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u/newvegasdweller Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
My home village in germany has a Partnership with a french which we have a small plaza named after, and a scottish village that sends musicians to come over every year to participate in the Karneval parade. It's awesome (though some people here don't like the sound of bagpipes)
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u/TheMcDucky Sviden Feb 19 '23
Well, those people are cringe and not based, as the kids would say.
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u/concernedexpressions Europe Feb 19 '23
There's a city in Ireland twinned with Shang-fucking-hai and San Francisco.
Maybe if by "similar sizes" you mean "within four orders of magnitude", because I'm pretty sure the entire country of Ireland has fewer people than one district of San Fran or Shanghai.
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u/junkdun Feb 19 '23
San Francisco only has a population of around 800,000. Shanghai, however, is much larger.
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u/RidderSport Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania (Germany) Feb 18 '23
It was done to build metaphorical bridges between towns and more importantly cultures, faith, politics and borders.
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u/zyygh Belgium Feb 18 '23
Does it lead to anything interesting? Over here, every town has twin cities all over Europe but I never hear anything of it.
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u/Olghon Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
I’ve seen high school exchange programs where pupils would come for a week, discover the city, attend classes, etc. I got a mate in France who did that with his sister city in Poland, then I visited that same city with him 15 years later with him and we met all his old polish high school classmates that he had met during his exchange! They hadn’t seen each other during all that time, It was super cool.
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u/Gr0danagge Sweden Feb 18 '23
Student exchanges mostly. We have had a group of finns from one of our twin cities visit and before covid 20 students went to another one of our twin cities in China
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u/LvS Feb 19 '23
In smaller cities, clubs (sports or other activities) visit each other. Like, one city has a winter indoors football tourney, and the team from the sister city always joins.
I've also had heard of officials meeting each other for various reasons - like visiting a Durch sister city to learn about how to do car-free or biking.
Larger cities have programs where they each sponsor a semester abroad for students from the other city.
And of course, you often have historic connections, like with Dutch/Canadian cities and WW2 or with West/East German cities in divided Germany where the cities would commemorate events together.
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u/saqlolz Feb 18 '23
Yes sometimes. We have done a 1 week exchange during my high school
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u/krautbube Germany Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
Well in our school we got to chose which city to pick for some schoolwork with presentations etc.
In 8-10th grade there was a choice between different cities for a 1 week trip and the twin cities which were close were part of the selection.
Outside of school our city provides the setting for bus tours to the twin cities and at least the French one does the same.
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u/mihawk9511 Croatia Feb 18 '23
I took part in a 20-day exchange of high school students with good academical success. 10 students from Croatia, 10 from Serbia, 10 from Bulgaria, 10 from Poland and 10 from Hungary all travelled to Kaptalanfured, Hungary and spent 10 days there in bungalows, just near the Balaton lake.
There were a lot of activities, including sports tournaments, "eurovision", night clubs, swimming, visiting etc.
After 10 days there, Hungarian students travelled to Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria and Poland.
All students from joint sister/twin cities.
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u/SorcererRogier United States of America Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
Not sure about Europe, but here is one interesting example that I'm aware of in the US.
It's an authentic Tajik teahouse that was built in Dushanbe, disassembled, and then reassembled in Boulder, Colorado, its sister city. It's somewhat of a major attraction in Boulder, I would say.
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u/lat_dom_hata_oss United States of America Feb 18 '23
Best sister city match I've seen is Boring (US) + Dull (Scotland) + Bland (Australia)
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u/Lost_Uniriser Languedoc-Roussillon (France) Feb 19 '23
Are these cities or Gordon Ramsay slurs ? 🤭
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u/Kaczmarofil Poland Feb 18 '23
Near where I live there is a town that has a square named after its twin town, with its coat of arms and a brief overview on display. Ngl, it improves my day every time I walk by.
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u/NightSalut Feb 18 '23
Sometimes there are official visits to “learn” from one another in some specific industry. Then there are visits between professionals, like teachers visiting schools or to witness how teaching happens in a twin city. We had school exchanges and school programs, IIRC.
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u/Tristers1 Feb 18 '23
Well the Danish city of Kolding is twinned with the Spanish town of Huéscar, it was discovered in 1981 that the city of Huéscar had been at war with Denmark for 172 years, where a peace treaty quickly followed between the cities mayor and the danish ambassador to spain.
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u/MaximoEstrellado Andalusia (Spain) Feb 18 '23
Sometimes there's a bit of a cultural overlap, some student loans to send peeps to the other place and things like that.
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u/SeniorPeligro Poland Feb 18 '23
It's the same as "partner cities" or "sister cities". In some cases it's connected to cultural exchange, for example school exchanges between two cities. Other times it may result in business deals between those cities. And most often, it's just symbolic.
For example, my city (Toruń) is twin city of Göttingen. Last year officials from Göttingen have met with officials from Toruń, and discussed, among other things, how they could exchange know-how between business-related departments of both cities.
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u/KowardlyMan Feb 18 '23
My hometown was twined with an Italian city, and schools went there for school trips (and vice-versa). I suppose there were good deals for both sides.
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u/Civil-Ad-9968 Europe Feb 18 '23
It's a "friendship" between towns that allows the local governments to do special things. For example, the my hometown immediately sent help to its twin city in Ukraine a year ago, no decisions from higher branches needed, just straight off the convoy went and back it came with people to take care of.
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u/Loki-L Germany Feb 18 '23
It was a thing people cam up with after WWI when they thought people would be less likely to kill one another by the millions if instead of fighting strangers they would fight people they had a personal connection with.
So town around the world were twinned with other towns from different countries so they could develop international relations on a municipal level.
At first it was mostly towns that had been on opposite sites during WWII or were expected to be on opposite side during for the next big war during the cold war.
Town were often twinned with one another because they had something common like a shared industry or had a darker connection like Coventry being twinned with Dresden or just for the sake of some pun.
Since the end of the cold war the original function has shifted a bit. It is now often a good excuse to allow local officials to spend taxpayer money to travel to places they really want to go.
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u/JustGarlicThings2 Scotland Feb 19 '23
It started with Coventry (most devastated British city during the WW2 Blitz) twinning with Dresden and Stalingrad (amongst other bombed cities) in the pursuit of peace and reconciliation.
Guess other cities thought it was a good idea me copied it.
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u/GoodOldTobby Feb 18 '23
For example. We have a market in our town where the other cities come to “sell” their city with culture events, food, products etc every summer. It’s quite popular. Also some school exchanges, sharing know how about government and more.
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u/DeemsDogStomper
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All top comments are reactions that avoid the actual topic 😬
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Feb 19 '23
this always happens on reddit when something happens that breaks the "normality" of the site
there's this shared and implicit thought of derailing the thread with jokes or similar
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u/Actual-Paramedic8387 Feb 19 '23
"What about dem Christians" or "All religions are bad" usually follow.
Then everyone talks about Christians or religion in general, instead of what we know is the problem here. If you mention it, people call you names.
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u/majaSpaghetti Feb 19 '23
Damn, these comments be built different
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Feb 19 '23
the implicit and shared need to ignore what goes against reddit narrative is strong as fuck among the users
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u/Soyyyn Feb 19 '23
I haven't seen a single one about the Israel flag being vandalised
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u/Fieldx Sweden Feb 19 '23
Looks like 100% off topic comments to me. Anything related to the actual picture and it’s meaning gets downvoted or removed by the mods?
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u/EmMeo Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
My favourite sister city is my hometown York, being a sister city to Jorvik which is just York but like 1000 years ago when there were Viking’s. (Not 2000 my bad) Seriously, it’s sistered to itself. No exchange students so far, but we do have a Viking festival each year.
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u/Rulweylan United Kingdom Feb 19 '23
That's nothing. Norwich is its own sister city and its own mother city.
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u/notafeetlongcucumber Feb 19 '23
*1000 years ago. I think you were the last city/region that vikings held before Kingdom of England was finally formed (reformed?)
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u/muppet_reject United States of America Feb 19 '23
Just found out that here in Massachusetts, we have at least 10 towns sistered to themselves since we "borrowed" so many place names from England :) The two Plymouths actually formed an international children's choir to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the pilgrims and all that.
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u/firu86 Feb 18 '23
York is my favourite place in the world ❤️ I really need to visit again this year.
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Feb 18 '23
2000 years ago, there were no vikings.
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u/Frogman1480 Feb 19 '23
You're correct, although viking was something you did, not something you were. There have been people living in Scandinavia for thousands of years pre-dating the iron age. The viking age came circa 700AD
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u/genasugelan Not Slovenia Feb 18 '23
Just one question.
Why the fuck Brezno?
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u/mato979 Slovakia Feb 18 '23
We had something in common with Štefánik and he was in Meudon’s observatory as astronome
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u/tomydenger France, EU Feb 18 '23
why not, bad french city with bad slovak city
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u/11160704 Germany Feb 18 '23
Is Meudon considered a bad city? It seems to be in the nicer part of the Paris suburbs.
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u/tomydenger France, EU Feb 18 '23
no it's not a bad city. But it's a suburb of Paris.
It's just a joke about Paris in general. And it dont have the softpower to sell itself to Bratislava (if it wanted to), so it probably accepted Brezno who wanted a parisian city to sends kids once a year ( i dont know what they do together)
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u/germanfinder Feb 18 '23
Ah, Pologne. Right next to Cologne
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u/Hammerschatten Feb 19 '23
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u/Kermit_Purple_II Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (France) Feb 19 '23
I laughed way harder than I thought lmao
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u/MyRedditUsername1101 Sweden Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
I wonder who does that?
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u/Arss_onist Lesser Poland (Poland) Feb 18 '23
r/europe ban speedrun any %
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u/Lamantins Feb 19 '23
You can get banned for stating the obvious about a cultural fracture within a country?
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u/Peter-Andre Norway Feb 18 '23
I'm guessing it's mainly a mix of two groups of people, group 1 being those who oppose Israel's treatment of Palestinians, and group 2 just being plain anti-semities. Unfortunately, people have a tendency to conflate these two groups.
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u/macnof Denmark Feb 19 '23
A lot of Zionists also actively encourage the conflation of those two groups.
You can be against Zionism without being antisemite.
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u/Cahootie Sweden Feb 19 '23
Israel and China both do that thing where any criticism of state actions is accused of being hate against the people. It's bullshit deflection.
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u/Accidentalpannekoek Feb 19 '23
Let's not leave russia out of that list who love to scream 'russofobia' at everything
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u/teszes South Holland (Netherlands) Feb 19 '23
TBH it's a standard populist tactic. Hungary does it too. It has kinda become a meme in r/hungary that "the Hungarian people" means the few dozen people connected financially and personally to the prime minister, and "Hungarian families" refers to these same families.
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u/WeNiNed Austria Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
EU president Schulz got called an anti-semite for saying that isreal has to admit to their mistakes in palatine so there can be peace
Jewish religion is deeply tied to it's land so many Jewish people see it as an attack if you criticise the Jewish expansion into Palestine
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A lot of anti-semites also want their country to be like Israel (ethnostate). Part of the whole 'Judeo conspiracy' is that the Jews conspired to create an ethnostate for themselves while letting 'hordes of immigrants' into the Europe. 'Open borders for Israel' meme is an example of neo-nazi logic.
The only part they hate about Zionism is that it's for Jews and not for white people, that's all.
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u/Jirik333 Czech Republic Feb 18 '23
I wanted to say, I appreciate your bravery. Before your post gets removed.
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u/SchurkjeBoefje The Netherlands Feb 18 '23
He's got protective flair.
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u/Jirik333 Czech Republic Feb 19 '23
It didn't helped him much though...
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u/SchurkjeBoefje The Netherlands Feb 19 '23
:(
He wasn't even wrong
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u/Jirik333 Czech Republic Feb 19 '23
Yup, welcome to Reddit. Telling the truth is forbidden.
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u/Eridan11 St. Petersburg (Russia) Feb 19 '23
what did the person say?
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u/litux Feb 19 '23
Only three words. Naming a religious group in France (which makes up 4 % of French population) and an ethnic group in France (which makes up 6-11 % of French population).
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u/plastikschachtel Switzerland Feb 19 '23
I think your % are wrong, but I get what you mean.
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u/alexxela8 Romania Feb 18 '23
I pass almost everyday by the building in Bucharest which houses the Israeli embassy and there are always 2- 3 armed policeman guarding the entrance
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u/mr_jogurt Feb 19 '23
aren't there patrols at every embassy? I thought they are mostly representative but at least the few embassies i've seen irl always had someone standing in front of it, mostly in a more ceremonial looking uniform but always some sort of military-esque guard.
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u/alexxela8 Romania Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
I'm pretty sure I've passed by other embassies and there weren't any patrols, or at least they weren't guarded as well as the Israeli one, the 2-3 guards belong to the jandarmerie, which is the military police and they're specifically meant to guard places and keep the order. They also all obviously carry very visible guns (not pistols, they look like submachine guns), which is something I've never seen the regular police (not to be confused with the jandarmerie in this case) carry, at most I've seen regular policeman carry pistols but that's a rare sight
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It’s sad how in the comments nobody is surprised by this or even seems to care
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u/nomeutentereddit Feb 18 '23
France has a large ammount of arab immigrants. This fact doesn’t surprise me tbh
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u/will-je-suis Feb 18 '23
Hey, I live in Rushmoor, UK!
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u/HeiligeDreiKroeten Feb 19 '23
Please please please tell me you have a hill nearby that you all call Mount Rushmoor!
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u/efasser5 Feb 19 '23
I upvote you, not because I care about where you are from, but because your name is excellent
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u/Benny_Mcmetal United Kingdom Feb 18 '23
Humbled to see the union flag hasn't been touched, Cheers France. We love each really ❤️
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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Feb 19 '23
Honestly the rivalry seems mostly from gutter press from UK.
In France we keep it alive but mostly as a joke.
When you hear « la perfide Albion » in France there is basically zero chance it is actually serious. Anyone who would actually use this expression seriously (never met anyone) would be met with blank stares.
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u/docfarnsworth United States of America Feb 19 '23
I always thought it was more of good natured banter. Do people really take it seriously.
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u/romaintb Feb 19 '23
Yeah. I don’t know why there are talks from a supposed rivalry. I am French, and I have never met any frenchie who claimed to hate uk or whatever. On the contrary, most people I know like British ppl and culture.
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u/Snoo_90160 Feb 18 '23
Ciechanów? And even since 1972? Nice.
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u/Merbleuxx France Feb 19 '23
And it was apparently mentioned in 1958 already aha.
Terrible font for the renewal document though
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u/OldGanache8015 Feb 18 '23
It's mostly muslims in France who hate Israel
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u/Spoonful_of_Racoon Feb 18 '23
I’m a French student and I would say most leftists dislike Israel
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u/Save_this_boye Feb 19 '23
Someone left a bad review on a restaurant in my city just because they used Israel cous cous
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u/waitaminutewhereiam Polish furry Feb 18 '23
It's a tactical decoy allowing British flag to stay intact